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Trump's Inaccurate Claims About Highways, Beyoncé From Rally (NYT)

Such a sad egotistical Liar-In-Chief.

@revelette1,

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revelette1 wrote:

Trump's Inaccurate Claims About Highways, Beyoncé From Rally (NYT)

Such a sad egotistical Liar-In-Chief.

Heh, more fake news, eh? Like whooda thunk?

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WHAT WAS SAID

Beyoncé, Jay-Z and Bruce Springsteen “were drawing crowds smaller than my crowds.”

THE FACTS

False.

Mr. Trump has claimed 20,000 to 49,000 people attended his biggest rallies during the 2016 presidential campaign. Even taking Mr. Trump at his word, those figures pale in comparison to audiences that have assembled to hear Beyoncé, Jay-Z and Mr. Springsteen perform.

False, eh? My math aint so good, but I think 20,000-49,000 is a tad bit more than 10,000, aint it?

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Four days before the election, Hillary Clinton brought out some big names to support her in the battleground state of Ohio. In front of a crowd of 10,000 people at Cleveland State University, Beyoncé and Jay Z told fans they're “with her."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sthaiwInODM

Notice that, as always, they put quote marks around just a small portion of the claim they make after ripping it entirely out of context and then fabricating their own *special* meaning to what he said.

What did Trump really say?:

Quote:

TRUMP on Hillary: "She would bring in Beyonce & Jay-z would get up & use language that is so bad. They would say 'Trump's language is tough.' You have heard Jay-Z. She would bring in Springsteen. They were drawing crowds smaller than mine. I said, 'why are we going to lose?

He made it clear that he was talking about the crowds they drew at Hillary's campaign rallies NOT the regular concerts as the fake NYT tries to pretend.

More from the NYT;

the failing, fake, cheese-eating NYT wrote:

This June, Beyoncé and Jay-Z performed for a crowd of over 57,000 in Berlin. (In addition, it should be noted that fans purchase tickets to hear the musicians in question, while Mr. Trump’s rallies are free.)

Guess what? They performed FOR FREE at the Clinton rally. Anyone could come, no charge whatsoever.

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@layman,

Trump did not specify he was speaking of political rallies, he was speaking of the crowd size those singers draw at their concerts.

When he made the claim the first time, Politifact already debunked him.

Quote:

"Beyonce and Jay Z, I like them, I like them ... I get bigger crowds than they do. It's true. I get far bigger crowds."
— Donald Trump on Monday, November 7th, 2016 in a speech in Raleigh, N.C

politifact

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Trump did not specify he was speaking of political rallies, he was speaking of the crowd size those singers draw at their concerts.

Wrong. Read my post.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1025172393596207106/video/1

Just keep on trying to defend these defenseless lies, though, eh? It's what cheese-eaters do.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Trump did not specify he was speaking of political rallies, he was speaking of the crowd size those singers draw at their concerts.

When he made the claim the first time, Politifact already debunked him.

Hahahahahahaha! Debunked!? It's just the same **** the NYT did, and what Politifact ALWAYS does. Got to your own damn politifact link. Listen to the video they made the mistake of posting when taking his words entirely out of context. There, too, Trump makes it quite clear that he is talking about the crowds they drew at Clinton rallies. Unmistakeably clear.

The more time an extremely transparent lie gets told, the more you cheese-eater's believe it, eh?

They do it daily. They falsely attribute a statement to Trump which he did not make, then say it is false, so he's a liar.

The cheese-eating chumps eat that **** up almost as fast as they do limburger.

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@layman,

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They were drawing crowds smaller than mine. I said, 'why are we going to lose?

If Trump was speaking of the rally Hillary held with those singers in specific, he would have said, "The rally drew a smaller crowd than my rallies." Instead he was speaking in the plural as in "crowds". Unless you are speaking of more than one rally in which Hillary had those singers to perform?

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

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They were drawing crowds smaller than mine. I said, 'why are we going to lose?

If Trump was speaking of the rally Hillary held with those singers in specific, he would have said, "The rally drew a smaller crowd than my rallies." Instead he was speaking in the plural as in "crowds". Unless you are speaking of more than one rally in which Hillary had those singers to perform?

Just stop, cheese-eater.

LISTEN to his speech. Stop taking liars' words for what he said. LISTEN.

If you're deaf, then maybe you can read (well, then again, you've proven many times that you can't to that either). But, for the benefit of others, here's the full context of Trump's claim which Politifact withheld. They deliberately change the quote and start with the word "Beyonce" without even putting in any elipsis ["...Beyonce]. Real journalists know better. And even liars know better.

Quote:

"She’s not getting any crowds so she gets Beyoncé and Jay Z, I like them, I like them and you know that they do, I get bigger crowds then they do. It's true. I get far bigger crowds," Trump claimed Monday in one of five rallies held the day before Election Day.

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/not-even-close-trump-said-he-draws-bigger-crowds-beyonce-n679251

Once again, clearly talking about the crowds they drew for Clinton.

Get it, cheese-eater?

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@layman,

weak

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

weak

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

Rave on, cheese-eater.

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Trump: There was a time when you could honestly say: "Africa is the most populated continent on the planet."

Fake news: "TRUMP IS A LIAR!!!!! Trump just said; "Africa is the most populated continent on the planet." We're not kidding!! Those were his exact words! No ****! This is the 407th lie we've caught him making! Like when he said "Immigrants are animals." He just won't quit lying."

Nice try, cheese-eaters.

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Gallup polls wrote:

Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans' trust and confidence in the mass media "to report the news fully, accurately and fairly" has dropped to its lowest level in Gallup polling history, with 32% saying they have a great deal or fair amount of trust in the media. This is down eight percentage points from last year.

Gallup began asking this question in 1972, and on a yearly basis since 1997. Over the history of the entire trend, Americans' trust and confidence hit its highest point in 1976, at 72%, in the wake of widely lauded examples of investigative journalism regarding Vietnam and the Watergate scandal.

Democrats' and independents' trust in the media has declined only marginally, with 51% of Democrats (compared with 55% last year)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

By constantly defending indefensible fake news, Democrats are merely causing the vast majority of Americans distrust them just as much as the fake news outlets.

As always, the cheese-eaters think they're winning when they're getting stomped.

For some damn reasons, all them balloons on the ceiling never got released, eh?

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Myriads of good walkaway stories:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=walkaway

You too can #walkaway. Walk away from the crime syndicate of the Demokkkrat party. Walk away from George Soros and trans-national gangsterism. Walt away from the KKKlinton machine. Walk away from criminality, stupidity, and mindless hatred. Stop being a Demokkkrat. Just wall away.

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@gungasnake,

He was exonerated 8 years ago for crimes that he is indicted on that happened as recently has 2017?

That'd be some neat trick.

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@layman,

That was written in:

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September 14, 2016

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If you're paying attention to media criticism from people like Jay Rosen, you'll be aware of the growing awareness that there is little to be gained and more than a little to lose in covering WH press conferences, Trump rallies, etc. The "he said/she said" form simply does not work when one player or one side is operating in bad faith or has become so corrupted that facts and truth and carefulness in thought/argumentation are subsumed beneath extreme tribal identity.

There's a similar problem here on this or any other political thread. As an analogy, imagine Jews in Germany during the 30s and 40s thinking that it would be somehow valuable and time well spent engaging in discussions with Nazis on racial theory.

When I started this thread, I hoped to do something a bit different than the normal, boring and valueless pissing contests and endless repetitions of evidences that the world is not flat. We got some distance toward that goal but not far.

So I'm going to leave this thread to the rest of you who want to continue. Perhaps up the road there might be options here to craft community structures that significantly minimize pissing contests and encourage learning. The argument against my position is that proceeding in such a manner will only expand polarization. But I think extreme polarization is already baked into the cake because one side perceives polarization as a necessary condition for gaining/maintaining power.

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@blatham,

Forgive my biblical reference but....

Kind of like "pearls before swine?"

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@maporsche,

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The alleged scheme began in 2006 and continued "through the present," the indictment says

If this alleged conspiracy "scheme" started in 2006, and he was exonerated in 2010, then either the "scheme" is a fabrication or else he's being put in double jeopardy.

Quote:

The new, superseding indictment includes 16 counts related to false individual income tax returns...

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-indictment-manafort-gates-20180222-story.html

16 years would take it back to 2002.

Manafort's lawyers will make hay of this with the jury, showing the inconsistencies and political motivations behind the whole thuggish prosecution. They can acquit, on principle (it's called "jury nullification") even if they think he's actually guilty of some of the charges.

First witness: RoddyRosenstein. "Tell the jury, Mr. Head of the FBI, all the reasons you didn't prosecute Manafort in 2010 for the alleged "scheme" beginning in 2004, eh?"

Rosenstein will fail to disclose exculpatory evidence, and any conviction will be thrown out on appeal, just like about all of Weisenberg's cases have been.

Mueller's team in the one really on trial here, not Manafort.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

That was written in:

Quote:
September 14, 2016

You're right, the poll is a little dated. Trust in the media is even lower now.

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@blatham,

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When I started this thread, I hoped to do something a bit different than the normal...I'm going to leave this thread

It's a shame, sho nuff, that more people didn't want to sit at your feet and beg for more of your commie propaganda, eh? Better luck next time. You might try a hoser website--they'll love you.

See ya!

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Perhaps up the road there might be options here to craft community structures that significantly minimize pissing contests and encourage learning. The argument against my position is that proceeding in such a manner will only expand polarization.

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But I think extreme polarization is already baked into the cake because one side perceives polarization as a necessary condition for gaining/maintaining power.

yes and yes

still hoping against hope for the community rebuild

truly miss the old/ancient a2k group structure. I learned a lot in a couple of the groups. always appreciated being allowed into the conservative group. I'm in a couple of similar groups on FB where mod control is pretty tight re personal insults/fighting and it makes for good reading/learning without having to step around b.s.

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