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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 01:49 pm
@blatham,
What's wrong with this?

With so many prior selections by Republican presidents revealing themselves as stealth liberals once they donned the robes of the USSC, help in identifying actual conservative candidates was clearly needed.

It's nothing more than the left would do, and it is an incredibly disingenuous position for anyone to take, that Democrat presidents have not received input and advice from all sorts of left-wing groups when their time to make a nomination came.

For anyone hoping for or counting on another appointment of a liberal in conservative clothing, I can understand why they would not be happy that conservatives have gotten their act together. Of course, I'm also not surprised that these people portray the development in the most sinister of lights.

The use of the term "engineer" is consistent with the revved-up propaganda mode of the NY Times. In order for the "apparatus" to have "engineered" a more "dependable" Supreme Court they would have not only had to be responsible for Trump picking their approved candidates, they would have had to be instrumental in securing for him the presidency and opening the slots he has to fill. Should Ginsburg and Breyer be worried? With the level of hysterical paranoia on the left such as it, I won't be surprised if we soon hear Auntie Max or Rachel Maddow calling for stepped up security for liberal justices.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 01:55 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I only listened to Trump's later but read only various comments before - you are correct.
Since Trump has sparked fury among Britons after he publicly clashed with Mrs May over criticism of crime levels in London, the performance of the NHS, and retweeting posts from a extreme-right group, the UK might be a bit too sensitive (You are certainly aware of how May responded to it)

I hear for the first time that May is a remainer, at least she acted and acts differently.

I don't think that enough Tory MPs do not actually want to bring May down, even arch-Brexiteer Rees-Mogg hasn't submitted a letter of no confidence yet.

Labour ... well, it would be nice, if they were largely anti-Brexit.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 02:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
And should Remainer May continue with her weaselly plan to circumvent the results of the Brexit referendum there will be even greater turmoil within the government and some of it is likely to spill into the streets (perhaps not affecting the sex lives of dogs and cats though).
What results? The vote didn't choose a set option for leaving. A pro-brexit vote could just as easily be for the Norway option as it could be for a complete break.

I think the British government has gone mad. They should have gone back to the voters and made them vote on "leaving the EU", "leaving the Customs Union", and "leaving the Economic Area" (and any other agreement that might possibly be exited) as individual issues.

Then they should have exited only the specific groups that the voters decided to leave. If the voters had decided to not leave any of the groups, the government could have let the whole thing drop.
Blickers
 
  4  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 02:04 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote Finn:
Quote:
"Russia" is not a living, breathing, thinking entity. To the extent it can be said to do anything, what it does is entirely dependent on the people in charge at the time. Putin was not in charge in 1991, or, obviously, when the Crimea was shifted from one USSR pocket to another.

I don't know the details of the original transfer well enough to know whether or not it involved a treaty being signed, but even if it had, such a treaty would have been a farce considering the Ukraine was not actually a sovereign state at the time and the USSR has been cast to the dustbin of history. Regardless of his character, Putin should not be expected to honor, abide by, or insist upon deals made by the USSR.

Wrong in many ways. To save time, I'll just list one way which dispenses with your whole flawed argument. Which is, for a country that has nothing to do with the Soviet Union, Russia sure didn't mind insisting that it takes the Soviet Union's place on the UN Security Council and admitting that they were responsible for the Soviet Union's international responsibilities and agreements.

Quote UN in response to the Government of the Russian Federation:
Quote:
Note to the Director General from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
On 26 December 1991 the Director General received a Note from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation informing him that "the membership of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in the IAEA, in all its organs as well as in all conventions, agreements and other international legal instruments, which were concluded within its framework or under its aegis is continued by the Russian Federation (RF) and in this connection in the IAEA the name 'The Russian Federation' should be used in the place of the name 'The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics'. The Russian Federation remains responsible in full for all rights and obligations of the USSR in the IAEA, including the financial obligations." The Note further states that it "constitutes credentials to represent the Russian Federation in the IAEA organs for all those currently possessing the credentials of the representatives of the USSR in the IAEA"
Source

So that solves that. Russia inherited the seat of the Soviet Union in the UN and on the UN Security Council, and Russia agrees in writing to abide by all the treaties and agreements it made during the time it was the major part of the Soviet Union.
layman
 
  0  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 02:06 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

It's amazing, simply amazing, that our country existed for 200+ years before ICE did. Almost unbelievable really....


We had and maintained customs, border patrol, and immigration agencies long, long before ICE. They just had different names then.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 02:08 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
They should have gone back to the voters and made them vote on "leaving the EU", "leaving the Customs Union", and "leaving the Economic Area" (and any other agreement that might possibly be exited) as individual issues.
That's what they have tried to do in various "palns" - but there is no "cake-and-eat-it" part in Article 50.
layman
 
  -1  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 02:32 pm
Well, just so y'all know, ya shoulda been more nicer to me. I got me a new racket, and I'm gunna make millions, I tells ya!

Well, maybe not, but even if not, there's some great side benefits attached, and I might have learned ya how to do it for your damn self if ya weren't such cheese-eaters, ya know?

I got bidniz cards, ads on facebook, flyers on supermarket bulletin boards and I' m all set now. I'm going into the "nymphomania treatment" business! It's all legal, too, cause I'm not claiming that I can cure the disease. I just "treat" it, and help alleviate the symptoms, see?
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revelette1
 
  3  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 03:27 pm
White House doesn’t deny report Trump made secret deal with Kennedy over retirement, replacement
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 03:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
That's what they have tried to do in various "palns" - but there is no "cake-and-eat-it" part in Article 50.
My understanding is the "cake-and-eat-it" problem comes from the desire to both leave the European Economic Area and not leave the European Economic Area.

There should be no problem with making individual choices regarding the Economic Area, the Customs Union, and the European Union.

Norway, for example, is part of the Economic Area, but is not part of the EU or the Customs Union.

Monaco is part of the Customs Union, but is not part of the EU or the Economic Area.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Supranational_European_Bodies-en.svg
Brexit may well mean leaving the EU, but it doesn't have to mean leaving the Economic Area or Customs Union.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 04:20 pm
@revelette1,
ThinkProgress is not credible. Also it is up to the President who he picks and does not have to explain why to anybody. If such a deal was made I doubt it would be illegal. And if denied by Kennedy, debunked. Has anyone asked former Justice Kennedy?
ehBeth
 
  1  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 04:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I hear for the first time that May is a remainer


as I recall, that was where she started, which makes her current role awkward

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

Quote:
Where does Theresa May stand on Brexit?
Theresa May was against Brexit during the referendum campaign but is now in favour of it


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/25/theresa-may-wants-you-to-stay-in-the-eu-has-she-blown-her-chance/

http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/12/what-is-theresa-may-s-view-on-brexit

Quote:
But those same people she was trying to reach out to are unlikely to forget quickly that May was a ‘Remain’ supporter during the campaign.

Theresa May wasn’t one of the most vocal figures of the debate, but she stuck to the government line: that Britain would be better off remaining part of the European Union. As a high level cabinet Minister (May was the longest serving Home Secretary for over a century), this is not surprising.

She warned UK voters that Brexit could have seriously damaging effects on the economy, the security, and even the current form of the United Kingdom.

Though often quiet during the campaign, May said that leaving the EU would be “fatal for the Union with Scotland”, as the Scottish National Party (SNP) would most likely try again for independence if Scotland voted to remain while the UK as a whole voted to leave.


I think a few of these links are on the Brexit thread.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 05:01 pm
President Trump pardons Oregon cattle ranchers whose case inspired takeover of wildlife refuge

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/10/donald-trump-pardons-dwight-hammond-steven-hammond-arson-case/771054002/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/10/trump-pardons-oregon-cattle-ranchers-land-dispute/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-executive-clemency-dwight-steven-hammond/
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revelette1
 
  4  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 05:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Think Progress is a liberal biased blog, however, there are plenty of embedded links to sources to back up their statements if not their opinions.

It might be legal to make a deal like that, however, it is just one more example of this administrations unethical swampy way of governing.

If Kennedy and Trump made a deal like that, they wouldn't admit it unless they had to. Who would?
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 05:42 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
If Kennedy and Trump made a deal like that, they wouldn't admit it unless they had to. Who would?

Then why the hype? If you can't prove it don't say it.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 07:46 pm
How much of this is true?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 08:35 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
How much of this is true?
Well, the guy is presuming that the only legitimate form of Brexit is the hardcore version (which clearly is the version that he favors). However, since the referendum didn't specify the form of Brexit, he is being a bit presumptuous in claiming that his preferred form of Brexit is the only correct one.

He is right about the government's recent proposal being questionable. Their proposal pretends to be both hard Brexit and soft Brexit at the same time. That is not going to please anyone who wants hard Brexit (like the guy in the video does). And it isn't going to please people who want the UK to choose either one or the other (like the EU does).

His talk about no confidence votes is probably a bit optimistic. It appears that May still has enough support to win a no confidence vote.
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gungasnake
 
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Tue 10 Jul, 2018 09:04 pm
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36851090_10215374510850197_966431396094541824_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=56b12dd29f0b9532ea152e2446f62b15&oe=5BE2D0A4
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 09:59 pm
@oralloy,
The Norway model was thought to be one of possibilities. (Bad for the UK, in my opinion, since then they had to follow all EU-laws without having sayings about them). Monaco is related with the EU via France.

Actually, all the problems came up, because of a rather simplified thinking and not looking at how it could be done.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 10 Jul, 2018 10:20 pm
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/president-trump-shizo-abe-g7.jpg?w=640&h=533
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/10/daniel-hannan-globalists-within-u-k-parliament-have-never-accepted-brexit/
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