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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
revelette1
 
  3  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 08:13 am
The Trump administration doesn't seem to know how the 21st century global supply chains work. (TP)
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hightor
 
  3  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 08:24 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
As far the rest of the article, I am not sure I buy it.

I hear you. But I think it raises a question as to whether Dems can run on an exclusively democratic socialist platform and still win. I can definitely understand the appeal among voters in progressive districts but do we really want to see another election with a few blue strips on the coasts and blue areas clustered in big cities and college towns? You'd think that moderates and socialists could see the wisdom in uniting to defeat Trumpism and reverse so many destructive policies.

Dershowitz wrote:
He’s a brilliant politician, and let me tell you why. He is pushing Democrats to the left. Because extremism provokes extremism. And the Democrats can’t win from the left. They can only win from the center in a national election. So his fondest hope is that somebody from the left gets the nomination against him.

<The reaction to him is seen as such an overreaction at times.

And then he overreacts. Overreaction causes overreaction, which causes overreaction. And the parties split further and further apart, which is good for Trump. The more divided we are, the more his base comes to his support. These articles in The Times and The Globe may hurt me on Martha’s Vineyard, but they help Trump. If there’s one thing you quote me on, I want it to be that.

NYT
Setanta
 
  2  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 09:18 am
@hightor,
I think the migrant problem and "open borders" are more of a problem for Europe than for the You Ess of Ay. First because Europe has been flooded with people fleeing the Syrian civil war, the instability in Libya and other African crises from militant Islam; and second because of economic refugees from Africa.

The problem in the United States is more from economic refugees, and there is a hidden situation there which does not exist in Europe. Stoop labor was originally performed in the U.S. by Chinese immigrants, until the Chinese Exclusion Act. Labor recruiters simply went out a recruited Japanese labor. Despite the "Yellow Peril" BS, the Japanese were the cheap labor source of choice--until December, 1941. With the Japanese in internment camps, labor recruiters started looking for Mexican and other Spanish-speaking immigrants, and as the population boomed after the Second World War, that stoop labor was more in demnd than ever--but now a political reality of the U.S. loomed ever larger. Those who benefit from that cheap labor source put money into the political coffers of members of Congress, so there is a hidden force which favors illegal immigration. With the Ray-gun era IRCA (Immigration Reform and Control Act) which provided amnesty and the opportunity to apply for citizenship for illegals here, pundits were surprised at how many fewer people took advantage of the amnesty program. More than a million fewer applicants suggested that many people are willing to run the risk for the money, but they don't want to stay here (and who could blame them, especially in the era of President Plump?).

This is definitely something the right can exploit--the lump of labor fallacy and the old "taking American jobs" BS probably still play well in Peoria. But Americans don't do stoop labor, and increasingly, don't do dish-washing and "You want fries wid dat?" labor either. The challenge for the Democrats is how to get past the moronic but usually successful rightwingnut propaganda.
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Lash
 
  0  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 09:18 am
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez States her desire to shut down ICE doesn’t translate to a desire for open borders. I do know there is a group, including some here and some I respect, who do advocate open borders.

Just clarifying.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 09:27 am
@Lash,
And Sanders has called for ICE to be examined, but not fully abolished.
revelette1
 
  3  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:14 am
@hightor,
Quote:
He’s a brilliant politician, and let me tell you why. He is pushing Democrats to the left. Because extremism provokes extremism. And the Democrats can’t win from the left. They can only win from the center in a national election. So his fondest hope is that somebody from the left gets the nomination against him.

<The reaction to him is seen as such an overreaction at times.

And then he overreacts. Overreaction causes overreaction, which causes overreaction. And the parties split further and further apart, which is good for Trump. The more divided we are, the more his base comes to his support. These articles in The Times and The Globe may hurt me on Martha’s Vineyard, but they help Trump. If there’s one thing you quote me on, I want it to be that.


The article probably has that nailed on the head.

It was the part concerning low wages/unemployment and immigrants of which I didn't think I bought.
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Real Music
 
  1  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:20 am
https://78.media.tumblr.com/ec6bc15dbf059b53cb0d7c17f97fc21f/tumblr_ob366dQlSv1uyav8ao1_500.jpg
Lash
 
  0  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:21 am
Well, I just hope they don’t put up a black man! He’d never win in America in the general!

Read the country!
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Lash
 
  1  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Despite screeching from his left. Good call.
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ehBeth
 
  0  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:24 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
do we really want to see another election with a few blue strips on the coasts and blue areas clustered in big cities and college towns?


you don't if you think the US makes sense as a country

you do if you think that it doesn't make sense as a country and maybe never did
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:27 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Dershowitz wrote:
He’s a brilliant politician, and let me tell you why. He is pushing Democrats to the left. Because extremism provokes extremism. And the Democrats can’t win from the left. They can only win from the center in a national election. So his fondest hope is that somebody from the left gets the nomination against him.



how much closer to the centre can the Democrats get than HRC? she's already right of centre

Dershowitz is trying to push the whole country further right of centre. If the Democrats do as he wants and go right of HRC, then the Republicans will have to go even further to the right. There's no healthy place for a country there. It truly is heading into Albanian/Romanian territory there.
ehBeth
 
  1  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:30 am
@Real Music,
sorry kid, don't care to see #45 on my feed so that will get a big old
https://cdn2.iconfinder.com/data/icons/business-set-2/512/Icon_2-512.png
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:36 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
criminals and/or terrorist.


those are going to get in regardless of borders/walls/whatever. they've got resources

the people who will be stopped by borders/walls etc are the ones without resources, who are looking for those streets paved in gold most of our parents and ancestors were looking for. or in the case of my parents, a home without war.
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MontereyJack
 
  4  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 10:59 am
@coldjoint,
In other wordsm, you have no evidence. Merely supposition. Typical. And I hate to tell yu this, Mueller is not discredited. He's closing in. So is NY state, with their independent Trump "charity" , i.e. Trump illegal self-dealing, investigation. Vote all the slimy Trump sycophants out in November. Put an end to Trump's campaign to destroy our democracy.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 11:16 am
@MontereyJack,
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Mueller is not discredited.

In the eyes of the voters he is, so it really does not matter what you believe. You are going to have to deal with that. Outright hatred of what this country is and does is what the Left has, and no one is buying it, except for fools.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 11:35 am
Meanwhile back in Canada.....
Quote:
Video: Canada Is Funding Terrorism

Quote:
Iqra Khalid MP announces $23 million from Canadian tax payers to help fund Islamophobia. Unfortunately, the groups receiving money have repeatedly been identified as funding terrorism, have lost charitable status and bank privileges. Will Canada be identified as a national security threat to the United States?


A significant step in cultural suicide. Good job Canada!

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2018/07/07/canada-funding-terror/
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 11:41 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
In other words, you have no evidence. Merely supposition. Typical.
Just like you have no evidence that Trump has done anything wrong.

MontereyJack wrote:
And I hate to tell you this, Mueller is not discredited. He's closing in.
He's closing in on nothing.

A few minor crimes by Manafort?

Easily pardoned. Quickly forgotten.

MontereyJack wrote:
So is NY state, with their independent Trump "charity", i.e. Trump illegal self-dealing, investigation.
The worst that they could do there is close down his charity. The only people that would harm are the people who are helped out by his charity.

And his charity will be allowed to defend itself in court. It's not like they can just close it down without proof of wrongdoing.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 11:51 am
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Fact: ICE Arrested 1,800 Foreign-Born Killers In 2017

Let's abolish ICE?
Quote:
Criminal aliens arrested by ICE ERO in FY 2017 were responsible for:

-More than 76,000 dangerous drug offenses;
-More than 48,000 assault offenses;
-More than 11,000 weapon offenses;
-More than 5,000 sexual assault offenses;
-More than 2,000 kidnapping offenses; and
–More than 1,800 homicide offenses.

That is 143,8oo arrests.
http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/murder/fact-ice-arrested-1800-foreign-born-killers-in-2017/
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 12:21 pm
Quote:
Americans Prefer U.S. Manufacturing Over Lower Consumer Costs

Of course they do. The majority of Americans want this country strong and with ample employment more than they mind paying a little more what they want.
Quote:
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 89% of American Adults believe it is at least somewhat important for the United States to have a major manufacturing and industrial base, including 63% who believe it is Very Important. Only eight percent (8%) say it is not very or Not At All Important to keep a manufacturing base at home. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Overwhelming majority favor what the Left dreads, America succeeding.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/march_2018/americans_prefer_u_s_manufacturing_over_lower_consumer_costs
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Sat 7 Jul, 2018 12:42 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
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Americans Prefer U.S. Manufacturing Over Lower Consumer Costs
If that were true,therewould be no trade deficit with China. And Mar-a-Lago would not be, AGAIN, seeking waivers to hire 60'odd foreign workers, despite Trump's rhetoric. Rasmussen's methodology is. statistically suspect.
 

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