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@nimh,

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in El Cajon, brothers and sisters are allowed to see each other once a week."

If those are the rules and you do not want to follow them crash someone else's border. Trump has not changed one law. He is just enforcing them.

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Any charges against the Border Patrol concerning children yet? Anyone?

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The Failing New York Times wrote:

[A] class-action lawsuit was initially brought against the Reagan administration, as Flores v. Meese, and settled under the Clinton administration in 1997, as Flores v. Reno.

The Flores settlement required immigration officials to “place each detained minor in the least restrictive setting appropriate” — for example, providing food, water and toilets.

In 2016, the Ninth Circuit of Appeals ruled that the Flores settlement “unambiguously applies both to minors who are accompanied and unaccompanied by their parents.” It also overturned a Federal District Court’s decision that the government must also release the parents.

Under Flores, the government has three options: (1) releasing families together, (2) passing a law that would allow for family detention or (3) breaking up the families.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-family-separations-border.ht

Family detention aint even legal, see? Even the Nutty Ninth Circus says so.

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@coldjoint,

Assad was the one who started the mass violence, back when the struggle was between him and protesters demanding freedom, and extremist groups were on the fringes.

It was in Assad's interest to strengthen the extremists, in order to divide and discredit the popular revolt against him. And he did so in numerous ways. His decision to release hundreds of jihadists from prison when the uprising started certainly helped.

The result?

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/05/cc/4e/05cc4e6ed0f8a626577b0b1b101cb15e.jpg

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@layman,

"Releasing families together" would be the humane option here, even if you favour then deporting them. As the link also points out, without Trump and Sessions' new policy "the Flores settlement and subsequent rulings ... would not have caused family separation at the border".

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@nimh,

It is still an Islamic society and the failure and stagnation Assad is trying to avoid pisses people off. It does not change the fact we are not responsible for those people. The Mideast is a big place.

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@nimh,

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new policy

Not new, just laws being enforced. Democrats do not want secure boarders and what else is better than perpetuating lie that Trump came up with this like you are doing?

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NPR wrote:

Central Americans are keenly aware of the Trump administration's zero tolerance policy toward asylum seekers. But the numbers of those coming from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala continue to rise, despite threats they may be separated from their children and spend months in detention.

It appears that they're all looking for baby-sitters for their unruly kids, eh?

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@nimh,

nimh wrote:

"Releasing families together" would be the humane option here, even if you favour then deporting them. As the link also points out, without Trump and Sessions' new policy "the Flores settlement and subsequent rulings ... would not have caused family separation at the border".

The "new policy" of actually enforcing the law instead of pissing on it to get more democratic voters into the country, ya mean?

The "humane" thing to do would be to send hundreds of U.S. planes to central america every day and fly everyone (MS-13 gangtaz, whatever) who would board into the U. S., if you ask some cheese-eater, I suppose. 10-20 million a year wouldn't be enough, but it would at least be a good start.

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In order to register to vote in California (and many other states) you do NOT have to prove citizenship. As a matter of fact, it is illegal to even ask for it in CA.

Democrats love to say that they won the "popular" vote. If you exclude California, Trump won in the other 49 states.

California has an estimated 3-4 illegal aliens hiding out there.

You do the math, eh?

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@layman,

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The "new policy" of actually enforcing the law instead of pissing on it to get more democratic voters into the country, ya mean?

Even if you're the kind of person who wants to deport them all, nothing about deporting them necessitates stuffing them in overfilled prisons for lengthy criminal prosecutions, tearing their five-year old children from their arms and putting them in camps, and letting them figure out how to find each other back afterward. But hey, what do I know, I'm not someone who likes to joke about killing immigrants.

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@nimh,

nimh wrote:

layman wrote:
The "new policy" of actually enforcing the law instead of pissing on it to get more democratic voters into the country, ya mean?

Even if you're the kind of person who wants to deport them all, nothing about deporting them necessitates stuffing them in overfilled prisons for lengthy criminal prosecutions, tearing their five-year old children from their arms and putting them in camps, and letting them figure out how to find each other back afterward. But hey, what do I know, I'm not someone who likes to joke about killing immigrants.

Hillary "I want open borders" Clinton lost. Trump won. Obama's catch and release aint gunna fly no more.

Sorry, but thems the breaks, eh?

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All these problems could be easily avoided, of course.

All it would take is for criminals to stop entering our country illegally and bringing some kids (which may or may not be their own) with them when they do.

What a novel thought.

Of course, if you ask a cheese-eater, there's an even simpler way to eliminate crime, i.e., repeal all criminal laws.

Think about it. There would never be another murder, rape, robbery, or any other crime committed in this country ever again. Those concepts would just be legislated away, like magic.

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@nimh,

You're totally full of ****. Bashir Assad would win any election you could hold in Syria with 90% of the vote. He walks amongst and freely mingles with the Syrian people. The kind of guy you paint him as could not do that.

Moreover Russians have recently cleaned up a gigantic US made mess in Syria.

The whole thing is about competing schemes for oil and gas pipelines through Syrian territory and the Syrian people and their government should b e able to make that decision. The whole problem has been the British, the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel not being willing to abide by that.

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@layman,

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Think about it. There would never be another murder, rape, robbery, or any other crime committed in this country ever again. Those concepts would just be legislated away, like magic.

That is what the cretins running England have been trying to do with their muslim grooming gangs. Tommy Robinson was interfering with that.

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@layman,

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Every drug dealer and his brother who illegally crosses our border is now an "asylum seeker," eh?

Alternatively, the US is now a country that will send back an asylum-seeker even if back home in El Salvador she was kidnapped by guerrillas who succeeded in forcing her "to cook and clean for them as well as to undergo weapons training" ... once they'd made her watch them force her husband to dig his own grave and then murder him.

Yes, this is a real case, first prosecuted by the DHS under Obama's watch -- because the rot started years ago, even if it's escalating now -- that now made the news when it was proudly brandished by Trump's Department of Justice after it won the right to deport her. Don't know if it came up here yet.

How could they possibly argue this case, anyone-not-named-Layman might ask in disbelief? Well, the US authorities didn't actually contest her story about what happened. They just argued that "the forced labour she provided in the form of cooking, cleaning, and washing their clothes" after watching them murder her husband .... counts as "'material support' to a terrorist organization". And that disqualified her as asylum-seeker.

Really. An immigration judge ruled against the government, citing the UN Convention Against Torture as well. So the DHS appealed. The guerrillas who murdered the woman's husband and enslaved her have since transformed into a political party and now govern her country, but they argued that she did not prove that "it is more likely than not that she will be tortured" if sent back, or that it would explicitly be the government authorities colluding in it.

(The irony is that the guerrillas were leftist, as is El Salvador's government now, while the woman's husband was a sergeant in the army of the right-wing regime that the US was supporting.)

The Board of Immigration Appeals (which I gather is not even part of the independent judiciary, but an instrument of the government's DOJ itself?) ruled in the bureaucrats' favour. Her forced labour qualifies as "material support" because there's no exception for having been forced to do it. And they didn't have the authority to assess the whole risk-of-torture thing.

All of this involves choices. The government's choice to prosecute this case. The choice to appeal after an immigration judge ruled against them. It's wanton cruelty. And meanwhile, the Laymans of the world would have you believe that asylum-seekers are all gangbanging scammers and there's nothing to see here, please move on.

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@nimh,

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All of this involves choices. The government's choice to prosecute this case. The choice to appeal after an immigration judge ruled against them. It's wanton cruelty. And meanwhile, the Laymans of the world would have you believe that asylum-seekers are all gangbanging scammers and there's nothing to see here, please move on.

It is also a strong deterrent and might make some of these people fix where they live instead of running. Again not our responsibility.

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

Bashir Assad would win any election you could hold in Syria with 90% of the vote.

Oh yes, he and Kim Jong-un.

gungasnake wrote:

He walks amongst and freely mingles with the Syrian people.

.... after filling his torture chambers and mass graves with anyone who dared speak up, and five million Syrians who didn't like him so much fled in fear to be next. Jeez, I wonder how that works.

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Moreover Russians have recently cleaned up a gigantic US made mess in Syria.

920,000 people were displaced in Syria in 2018. That's the highest number since the war started, as the Russian bombs have only added more. "Cleaned up a mess" my arse.

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@layman,

Coldjoint is actually the more honest one here when he points out that separating young children from their parents "is also a strong deterrent". Cause that's what this is about, not the sanctimonious "we're just upholding the law" guff.

John Kelly said it himself. "The laws are the laws" and so on but the "big name of the game is deterrence.'' He explained that "this is a technique that no one hopes will be used extensively or for very long." In short, literally tearing a baby from its breastfeeding mom is their equivalent of putting a dead body on a spike to deter others. Something that you're perfectly comfortable with, I'm sure, since it fits your medieval rhetoric. But it's ******* disgraceful.

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@nimh,

You have any citation for this "real case" you're talking about?

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And meanwhile, the Laymans of the world would have you believe that asylum-seekers are all gangbanging scammers and there's nothing to see here, please move on.

I never said "all." We are prosecuting those who circumvent all recognized "ports of entry" for asylum seeking and just wade across the rio grande hoping they won't be detected--then claim they are seeking "asylum."

But since we're talking in "all or nothing" terms here, what's the "right" thing to do? Rectify every injustice in every country in the world, by inviting in hundreds of millions of "oppressed" and giving them all free food, free housing, free walking around money, etc.?

America First, Baby!

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