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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 21 May, 2018 12:49 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
From what we have seen a president has already proven a president can do what he wants, so why not.

https://i.imgur.com/h2NY3aIm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NMZh4HFl.jpg
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 21 May, 2018 12:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I am talking about Obama. He put the dick in dictator, and people are still puffing on it, including Europeans.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 21 May, 2018 12:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
How about we have the legislature pass a law authorizing the seizure of a party's campaign funds to compensate their victims, and then we have the courts carry out these seizures while following due process?
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 21 May, 2018 01:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump will meet on Monday with Justice Department and intelligence officials to discuss his order to look into whether his 2016 presidential campaign was infiltrated or surveilled under the Obama administration, a White House official told Reuters.

Trump will meet at 3 p.m. (1900 GMT) with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, FBI Director Christopher Wray and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, the official said.

Trump on Friday suggested that the FBI may have planted or recruited an informant in his campaign, citing unidentified reports that at least one FBI representative was “implanted” there.

On Sunday, he asked the Justice Department to look into the allegations. Hours later, a spokeswoman said the department said it had asked the Inspector General to expand a review of the process for requesting surveillance warrants to include determining whether there was impropriety or political motivation in how the FBI conducted its investigation.

“If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action,” Rosenstein said in a statement on Sunday evening.

Federal investigators are looking into whether Russia tried to sway the election and if it worked with the Trump campaign to do so. Trump has denied any collusion and repeatedly dismissed the investigation as a “witch hunt.”
reuters
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 21 May, 2018 01:05 pm
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Trump launches HUGE investigation into Obama election spying

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Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, called Trump’s claim of an embedded spy “nonsense.”

That is like saying it is true. Obama is going down. He should have never made fun of Trump at that dinner with the press in 2011. Trump holds grudges like any other human being, but he is following the law. His opponents have ignored the laws. Payback is going to hurt.

https://thehornnews.com/trump-launches-huge-investigation-into-obama-election-spying/
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 21 May, 2018 01:06 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
How about we have the legislature pass a law authorizing the seizure of a party's campaign funds to compensate their victims, and then we have the courts carry out these seizures while following due process?
I have no idea, if and how this works in the USA.

"Victims of a political party" would get it here by the normal legal provisions of our civil code at the courts.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 21 May, 2018 01:32 pm
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Stefan Halper is only the tip of the iceberg in Obama spy scandal

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Evidence continues to build that several high-ranking Obama administration officials — including former CIA Director John Brennan and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper — may have misled Congress and the public about the origins of the Russia investigation.

Thanks to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, we know that the Obama Department of Justice used a political opposition research document — the Trump-Russia dossier — as evidence to get a FISA warrant to spy on members of the Trump administration. We also know that no U.S. intelligence was used to back up any of the allegations in the dossier. Not surprisingly, not a single major allegation in the dossier has been proven.


The establish is trying to grab Nunes"s shovel. He will dig with his hands until the facts are out. It looks bad for Democrats. Shocked
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/stefan-halper-is-only-the-tip-of-the-iceberg-in-obama-spy-scandal/
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 21 May, 2018 02:08 pm
http://patriotretort.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Brennan-in-cuffs.jpg

Soon.
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Brennan is cornered.

And he knows it.

To put it bluntly, the **** is about to hit the fan.

And there will no safe quarter for the conspirators who perpetrated this coup.

http://patriotretort.com/cornered-brennan-is-panicking/
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Mon 21 May, 2018 04:34 pm
@coldjoint,
Brennan and Clapper are criminals; and the type that liberals used to hate
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 21 May, 2018 06:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Brennan and Clapper are criminals; and the type that liberals used to hate

It sure as Hell seems that way, are they (Trump's enemies) going to allow it to happen, actually holding someone accountable, including Obama?
They might have no choice. Trump is going to win.
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 21 May, 2018 06:22 pm
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A longtime CIA and FBI asset who once reportedly ran a spy-operation on the Jimmy Carter administration, Halper was enlisted by the FBI to spy on several Trump campaign aides during the 2016 U.S. election. Meanwhile, a search of public records reveals that between 2012 and 2018, Halper received a total of $1,058,161 from the Department of Defense.

Put it together.
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The most recent award to Halper for $411,575 was made in two payments, and had a start date of September 26, 2016 – three days after a September 23 Yahoo! News article by Michael Isikoff about Trump aide Carter Page, which used information fed to Isikoff by “pissgate” dossier creator Christopher Steele. The FBI would use the Yahoo! article along with the unverified “pissgate” dossier as supporting evidence in an FISA warrant application for Page.


https://truepundit.com/obama-spied-on-trump-during-election/
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glitterbag
 
  6  
Mon 21 May, 2018 06:42 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It's pretty much the same thing in the US, the nonsense you hear on this thread is the dark fantasy life of authoritarian groupies who suspect they will never be entirely free until they lock up everyone with which they suspect they might disagree or disapprove.


coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 21 May, 2018 07:17 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
until they lock up everyone with which they suspect they might disagree or disapprove.

That is exactly what they FAILED to do to Trump. The Left has egg on their face and soon numbers on their shirts.
farmerman
 
  6  
Mon 21 May, 2018 08:36 pm
@coldjoint,
As I understand . we are now gonna mobilize the entire FBI to investigate another paranoid tweet from Trump. Perhaps he should also demand an investigation what happened to the missing strawberries in the officers mess of the USS Caine.

Whats it gonna be next week?? Obviously the Trumpies are getting scared that Mueller's coming up with something and they want to fog it up with counter charges.






coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 21 May, 2018 09:22 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
investigate another paranoid tweet from Trump.

I got news for you, Trump is the boss of the executive branch. Those people he met with(DOJ FBI) are also in the executive branch. He can tell them what to do. You need a civics class.

He is not breaking the law, and unlike Obama won't ask people to. As far as Mueller finding anything but what has been manufactured is highly unlikely.
You can put lipstick on a pig and name her Valerie, it won't help. Laughing

John Kelly will be seeing the documents in question. Someone is going down quickly, and it won't be Trump.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 21 May, 2018 09:39 pm
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/yoda-big-ugly.jpg?w=640&h=380
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The Russia investigation continues to expose deep and terrifying corruption in Washington, and not in the ways the people who launched it expected.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/21/tucker-carlson-byron-york-and-jonathan-turley-discuss-big-ugly-insurance-policy-details/
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Real Music
 
  3  
Mon 21 May, 2018 10:12 pm
By Demanding an Investigation, Trump Challenged a Constraint on His Power

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WASHINGTON — When President Trump publicly demanded that the Justice Department open an investigation into the F.B.I.’s scrutiny of his campaign contacts with Russia, he inched further toward breaching an established constraint on executive power: The White House does not make decisions about individual law enforcement investigations.

“It’s an incredible historical moment,” said Rebecca Roiphe, a professor at New York Law School who helped write a coming scholarly article on the limits of presidential control over the Justice Department. Mr. Trump’s move, she said, “is the culmination of a lot of moments in which he has chipped away at prosecutorial independence, but this is a direct assault.”

Almost since he took office, Mr. Trump has battered the Justice Department’s independence indirectly — lamenting its failure to reopen a criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton that found no wrongdoing, and openly complaining that Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from the Russia inquiry. But he had also acknowledged that as president, “I am not supposed to be involved with the Justice Department,” as he told a radio interviewer with frustration last fall.

As part of that pattern, he has also denied the account by James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director he abruptly fired, that the president privately urged him to drop an investigation into Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser.

But Mr. Trump has also been flirting with going further, as he hinted late last year when he claimed in a New York Times interview that “I have an absolute right to do what I want to with the Justice Department.” And now, by unabashedly ordering the department to open a particular investigation, Mr. Trump has ratcheted up his willingness to impose direct political control over the work of law enforcement officials.

Mr. Trump’s demand was part of the latest cycle in the campaign by his allies in Congress and conservative news media outlets to discredit the special counsel investigation into whether his campaign conspired with Russia in its interference in the 2016 election and whether he committed obstruction of justice.

One of Mr. Trump’s most stalwart defenders, Representative Devin Nunes, the California Republican who is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has been using his oversight powers to investigate the F.B.I.’s investigation, portraying several early steps in 2016 as scandalous. Most recently, with backing from Speaker Paul D. Ryan, Mr. Nunes has been trying to force the Justice Department to identify a confidential source who assisted the F.B.I.

As a result of that battle, the existence of the source has shaken into public view. The informant, an American academic who has taught in Britain, approached several of the members of the Trump campaign who had been in contact with suspected Russian agents and tried to find out what they knew about Russian hackers’ theft of Democratic emails. Mr. Trump’s allies have portrayed this as the F.B.I. infiltrating his campaign with a spy.

On Sunday, Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter: “I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes — and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!”

In response, the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, referred the matter to the department’s independent inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, and issued a statement clearly intended to mollify Mr. Trump: “If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action.

The Justice Department rarely discloses when it has opened a criminal investigation, but it appeared on Monday that Mr. Rosenstein’s move had satisfied Mr. Trump for the time being without opening a criminal investigation. Still, he established a significant new precedent by directly demanding that the department scrutinize specific actions.

“Yesterday made explicit what before was implicit, which is that Trump is crossing every line that protects the independence of the Justice Department,” said Neal Katyal, who drafted the department’s special counsel regulation in 1999 for the Clinton administration and served as acting solicitor general in the first term of the Obama administration.

Mr. Trump’s suggestion that Obama-era officials may have abused their investigative authority to spy on his campaign for their own political purposes complicates his demand for the Justice Department to investigate itself now. Still, senior law enforcement officials appointed by Mr. Trump already knew what steps the department took in 2016 and had not previously deemed those facts a sufficient basis to open an investigation, noted Bruce Green, a Fordham University law professor who wrote the article with Ms. Roiphe.

Legally, it is ambiguous and contested whether a president has the lawful power to order the attorney general to open or close a case — especially one involving his personal interests. But either way, as a practical matter, it may make little difference.

That is because attorneys general who view a president’s request or demand as unjustified can refuse it. But the president can fire and replace the attorney general. The primary check against a president abusing that power is the willingness of Congress to impeach him, as well as potential voter backlash.

The article by Ms. Roiphe and Mr. Green documented several scattered early examples of presidents who got directly involved in case decisions. George Washington, they wrote, ordered the prosecution of people involved in the Whiskey Rebellion by distillers in western Pennsylvania who rose up against the federal whiskey tax and threatened its enforcers. Washington later ordered that case shut down.

But such cases were rare and typically involved foreign affairs, Ms. Roiphe and Mr. Green wrote. And because the presidents’ involvement went unchallenged, the Supreme Court never weighed in about its legitimacy. The federal law enforcement system evolved over time; Congress created the Justice Department in 1870.

A century later, after the Watergate scandal, the norm of Justice Department independence became more entrenched. Senators have since routinely asked attorney general nominees at confirmation hearings questions eliciting promises to resist any effort by a president to intrude upon matters of prosecutorial discretion.

A few weeks before leaving office last year, President Barack Obama published a piece in the Harvard Law Review about the president’s role in advancing a criminal justice overhaul. In it, he nodded to the importance of constraints on presidential intrusion into specific Justice Department case decisions, citing the need “to avoid even the appearance of politicization” when it comes to administration of criminal law.

“For good reason, particular criminal matters are not directed by the president personally but are handled by career prosecutors and law enforcement officials who are dedicated to serving the public and promoting public safety,” Mr. Obama wrote. “The president does not and should not decide who or what to investigate or prosecute or when an investigation or prosecution should happen.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/by-demanding-an-investigation-trump-challenged-a-constraint-on-his-power/ar-AAxBRYU?ocid=UE13DHP
Agent1741
 
  1  
Mon 21 May, 2018 10:15 pm
@blatham,
My question would be if Trump is going to be monitored who would it be by & even if he was would there be any action taken if he was doing wrong? Judging by what I see etc it would appear that no-one is held accountable for doing anything!! If they are caught they plead the fifth (which to me is like admitting guilt) so to me it would seem pointless!!
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 21 May, 2018 10:17 pm
@Real Music,
Quote:
When President Trump publicly demanded that the Justice Department open an investigation into the F.B.I.’s scrutiny of his campaign contacts with Russia, he inched further toward breaching an established constraint on executive power:

He is their boss and has done nothing illegal. Whining distracting, maybe checking their passports too. They might want to leave. You are accusing him of what Obama almost got away with, almost. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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farmerman
 
  5  
Mon 21 May, 2018 10:24 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
He is not breaking the law, and unlike Obama won't ask people to. As far as Mueller finding anything but what has been manufactured is highly unlikely.
Its not an issue of breaking the law YET. I say, let the FBI do this investigation and it when it is seen that there was nothing more than Trump manufacturing another of his lie fests based on his increasing paranoia, then it WILL be a matter of Impeding an investigation. I like the way you idiots "make up" **** about conclusions before the fact,viz---

1Muellers investigation (without evidence ) is a "witch hunt"

2Investigating the investigators (without evidence) will yield answers you want

hardly forensics pinky.

As far as PAD or civics, Ill take you on while under general anesthesia and win.

Now it looks like Donni Jr's made other contacts with the EMirates and Saudi Arabia that had some connection with Cambridge Analytics.Hmmmmmm. And Manafort is turned states evidence to cobble up a deal re: his guilty plea , so he wont spend hid later years in the slammer. Now that we know hes been a money Launderer for the Trump Campaign.



 

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