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Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:51 am
@maporsche,
Thanks... It looked like something WaitButWhy (I got it wrong before) could do.
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:52 am
Meanwhile, in the Tillerson hearing, he refused to answer a question on Exxon's role in funding the denials of climate science findings. That alone tells us what we need to know about this guy's loyalties and ethics.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:53 am
@blatham,
Quote:
People have always died so the Black Plague is just a normal sorta thing.

Or the Holocaust... Why the outrage? People have always died, after all.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:55 am
@Frugal1,
And of course you can prove that, because you are not "weak & gullible"... right? :-))
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:56 am
@blatham,
All this fake outrage about fake news, and here you are pushing the very fake news you rally against.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:56 am
@Debra Law,
Quote:
The dilemma of "dark money" plagues our politics, our economy, and our environment. It has for a very long time.

One of the many reasons why HRC was a bad candidate.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:57 am
@Olivier5,
Response moderated: Personal attack. See more info.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:57 am
Quote:
TimKarr ‏@TimKarr 20m20 minutes ago
Incoming Press Secretary @SeanSpicer threatened to throw CNN's @Acosta out of press conference should he attempt to ask a question again.

This was reported by Acosta himself.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:58 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Or the Holocaust...

Yes. Nothing to see here, folks. Human nature. Always been the same.
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:58 am
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

[The dilemma of "dark money" plagues our politics, our economy, and our environment. It has for a very long time.

Corporations and other business entities are artificial beings. They are born with a stroke of a pen and have no conscience. They are not real persons, but have been granted the rights of real persons. In fact, they have been granted greater rights and they are in control. Is resistance futile?


Precisely the same statements could be made about Labor Unions and the many other NGOs that actively support Democrtats. (Moreover Labor unions operate generally under government enforced monopolys. Businesses don't.)

Odd that you didn't include them.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 12:09 pm
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15940891_1833051206949666_277274060333668770_n.jpg?oh=afd05c7dbec9508be3ff151a35be8fd3&oe=5922CE41
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 12:12 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Odd that you didn't include them.

It isn't a matter of "support". It's a matter of the vast differences in monies spent, lobbying power, and huge PR/propaganda operations on the one side versus the others.

What is odd here george is that you will never ever purchase or read Jane Mayer's book that reveals how vastly unbalanced these things are that you suggest are equivalent.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 12:13 pm
@Debra Law,
Quote:
The dilemma of "dark money" plagues our politics, our economy, and our environment. It has for a very long time.

You say these things without realizing that for the last several election cycles, the DNC candidate has spent more money then the previous when running for President. Obama broke the billion dollar mark on both of his elections, and Hillary beat Obama in spending. In all cases, they out-raised and out-spent their opponents.

Quote:
Corporations and other business entities are artificial beings. They are born with a stroke of a pen and have no conscience. They are not real persons, but have been granted the rights of real persons. In fact, they have been granted greater rights and they are in control. Is resistance futile?

Do the laws that are passed in this nation have an effect on business? Yes they do. Why shouldn't a business be able to fight against laws and or politicians who want to hamper their business? Business's employ people and when you mess with a business, you mess with regular people. So companies or business owners should have the right to address the govt and effect the laws that effect their companies. It appears you just want companies and business owners to just shut-up and be lucky they can even own a business.

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Bernie Sanders' campaign has given us a glimmer of hope. Perhaps we can dismantle the "dark money" control of our government and our welfare and, ultimately, our survival. Maybe not.

Keep telling yourself that. You were sold a bag of goods and Bernie bought his third house, with a private beach. How does someone who never held a real job afford to purchase a beach house?
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Frugal1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 12:18 pm
@blatham,
Fake news is all you get from Acosta & CNN.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 12:18 pm
@Frugal1,
Response moderated: Personal attack. See more info.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 01:05 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Odd that you didn't include them.

It isn't a matter of "support". It's a matter of the vast differences in monies spent, lobbying power, and huge PR/propaganda operations on the one side versus the others.

What is odd here george is that you will never ever purchase or read Jane Mayer's book that reveals how vastly unbalanced these things are that you suggest are equivalent.


Please enlighten us. Don't forget to include the various NGOs , and union "public education" monies spent as well as their in kind campaign efforts.

My strong impression is that Republicans, in both the Congressional and Presidential campaigns, spent far less than did the Democrats. Apparently they got a lot more for their efforts as well.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 01:20 pm


In 10 days America gets dewormed.
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 11 Jan, 2017 01:27 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

This is a post-fact, post-policy, post-honesty period in the US. Attacking media is the key means of getting to this point. It is one of the instititutions which MUST be dismantled or discredited preceding the rise of authoritarian rule.


The media is not"an institution" and it certainly does not display the values normally associated with such things. It is instead a collection of corporations, each with fairly well defined client and market segments, carefully attuned to the various brand identities and the desires of favored customers.

That said, many rather self-important members of the media do appear to imagine that they are somehow the annointed intermediaries between the people and our government in this (or any) country. They certainly do play a role in that, but it is not their supposed "institutional integrity" that supports that role: rather it is the rough and tumble tumult of their conflicting material that enables the real truth to, often not always, be observed.
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 01:50 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
The dilemma of "dark money" plagues our politics, our economy, and our environment. It has for a very long time.

One of the many reasons why HRC was a bad candidate.


I agree. The two political parties serve their corporate masters. Media establishments serve the corporations that own them. "We the people" are fed a regular diet of propaganda and serve as pawns in the corporate quest for more power and more wealth. Both major party candidates were unfit for public office because they serve the interests of the few and treat the rest of us like fools. (Unfortunately, many are still fools because they have not yet realized they are being exploited and serve as useful idiots.)

Trump didn't win the election because the electorate believed he was the better choice. Trump won because Hillary lost. And she lost because many millions of progressives refused to vote for her and refused to give their implicit stamp of approval to dark money controlling our government. Until the Democratic Party takes meaningful and successful measures to eliminate dark money control or figures out how to fool us again, I believe it will disintegrate.

The only hope I have for a better future for the "common folk" is that the abuses of power in the coming years by Trump and those who surround him will cause an awakening of the people as a whole regardless of their ideology. But it might come too late.
Brand X
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 01:50 pm
Glenn Greenwald points out that attacks on the media are fully warranted, and he cuts through media and CIA bullshit....and blatham's mountain of bullshit. He does it recognizing the doubts and concerns many have with Trump. No slack given from Glenn, or I.

'IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.'

The rest at link.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/?comments=1#comments

 

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