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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:02 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Republicans want to fight climate change, but fossil-fuel bullies won’t let them

...Climate change became partisan in 2010, .... The timing is not a coincidence.

Big-business interests, particularly the fossil-fuel industry, led the charge. .....

The justices allowed the fossil-fuel industry to roll heavy artillery out onto the political field, ...

I have to think that Whitehouse's description of these dynamics is pretty accurate.
In fact it is filled with inaccuracies, the most obvious of which is the anual $700 Billion subsidy attributed to the IMF. To what corporations does it apply, and what are its constituents? Reported U.S.Federal "subsidies" to U.S. foissil fuel producers amount to about $40 billion, and they consist of $14 billion for production of ethanol supplenmented fuels; a foreign tax credit (a commmon practice) of $15 billion, and tax savings from the deductability of oil & gas exploration and development costs ( also a common tax exemption for a real cost of doing business) . Similar "subsidies" by various states add another $3 bilion. The stunning fact here is that compared to the operating costs of this huge industry these are trivial. As a percent of operatiing costs the subsidies to wind and solar power producers are orders of magnitude higher - and, because these sources cost about three times as much per unit of energy delivered, the yield is far less.
blatham wrote:
There certainly are true believers of the climate denial variety but the majority of GOP politicos surely must grasp the reality of global warming and climate change. Still, the ethics here are abominable. To place your partisan desire to hold high office or keep your party in power as a value greater than protecting your nation's citizens humans worldwide from disaster - that's their choice?

=>The reality of climate change is that it has been a phemonon that has occurred continuously throughout the earth's geological history (~ 4.3 billion years).
=>The CO2 associated warming in the last century is real but has consistently lagged the doomsday forecasters estimates by large multiples. There is no "worldwide disaster ) coming and continued technological advances will further reduce CO2 emissions.
=> The CO2 savings achieved by nuclear power and increased shale gas production (both opposed by AGW zealots) have eclipsed those achieved by their favored wind and solar "solutions" by a factor of over 100.

The "ethics" of AGW zealots who would condemn vast segments of humanity to hunger and poverty in support of ill developed theory, and the forced application of backward technologies in the face of continuinf new innovation in other areas, are also very questionable.

The contrived argument you cited, claiming the nefarious "timing" of the USSC Citizens United decision with a partisan assault on clean energy programs led by big business political contributions is a bit laughable in view of the huge reductions inb CO2 emissions recently achieved by those same big businesses through advances in the efficiency of natural gas production. They alone dwarfed the savings achieved by huge relative subsidies to Solyndra and other favored solar industries (indeed the main result of these subsidies has been to decrease price competition and retard innovation and research.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:05 am
"it's better to be red than dead": Turning Big Cities Red
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:07 am
The Trump news conference is about to start. Regardless of anything else, I'm really hoping someone can sneak in and do total BS hand-signing for the deaf and hearing impaired.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:11 am
@blatham,
Since ten minutes I'm looking at this
http://i67.tinypic.com/i5ablv.jpg

Might be, we don't get the actual live stream here?
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:12 am
@giujohn,
If you didn't care, you wouldn't reply, Guigui...
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:25 am
Ego-maniac

Feed here https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-cites-kremlin-statement-to-deny-reports-of-russia-ties-asks-if-we-are-living-in-nazi-germany/2017/01/11/a710f2b4-d777-11e6-b8b2-cb5164beba6b_story.html?pushid=breaking-news_1484161423&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.4acc6c0f99aa
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:26 am
@blatham,
That's 0bama.
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catbeasy
 
  2  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:27 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
The reality of climate change is that it has been a phemonon that has occurred continuously throughout the earth's geological history (~ 4.3 billion years).

I think this first point has to be qualified. The rate of change is what is at issue here. Currently, the thought is that the rate of change is occurring roughly 10 times faster than at any time in the past..
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:31 am
@catbeasy,
Quote:
...the rate of change is occurring roughly 10 times faster than at any time in the past.

There is zero proof of this actually happening.
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glitterbag
 
  3  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:42 am
@blatham,
Are you watching this bund rally? The great and glorious Trump declares he's leading a movement.......the world lit up when he 'won' the electoral college.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:45 am


The mood of the country has improved dramatically since
Trump won the election, and it's only going to get better.
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:50 am
Quote:
The reality of climate change is that it has been a phemonon that has occurred continuously throughout the earth's geological history (~ 4.3 billion years).

Yes. It's a brilliant formulation.

In the past, there have been climate change instances where 9 out of 10 biological species ceased to exist but we're here eating pizza, so no big thing.

In the past, there have always been political movements going this way or that and we're still here buying iPhones and stuff, so that whole Nazi thing, nothing to worry about.

Every month, thousands of individuals and families are killed or maimed in automobile accidents so if you daughter is out with her boyfriend who is drunk as a skunk driving without a licence in the snow with summer tires and your daughter is beheaded when the car goes out of control and slides under a truck, so what?
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:51 am
@glitterbag,
I was. I had to turn it off. Amazingly, it was worse than I'd expected and I'd expected bad. This is a very sick guy.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:52 am
@blatham,
Way to stay under educated & under informed.
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maporsche
 
  0  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:53 am
Climate Change has always happened. This comic seems to represent it in a way that people find telling. Keep an eye on the scale to the left.




https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/earth_temperature_timeline.png
Frugal1
 
  0  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:56 am
@maporsche,
What a joke!
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 10:59 am
Norman Ornstein ‏@NormOrnstein 18m18 minutes ago
Dismaying, if unsurprising. Has no clue about emuluments clause, reality of kleptocracy. In your face. This is Marcos, Erdogan, Mubarak

Jennifer Rubin ‏@JRubinBlogger 20m20 minutes ago
Trump predictably is shifting management but not ownership which is entirely unsatisfactory and does not remove the emoluments or conflcits

Sarah Kendzior ‏@sarahkendzior 23m23 minutes ago
Trump is utterly lying about lack of deals with Russia. Even in 2008 his own son said they make up disproportionate amount of Trump biz.
(yes, he did say exactly that)
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:00 am
@blatham,
If you had not tuned out, you would realize that team Trumps if fully up to speed on the emuluments clause.
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:06 am
Garry Kasparov ‏@Kasparov63 16m16 minutes ago
That reminded me of a Soviet press conference. More speakers than questions, more flags than answers.
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 11 Jan, 2017 11:08 am
TimKarr ‏@TimKarr 5m5 minutes ago
Will Trump be bringing his laugh-track gallery to the White House press room as well?
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