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@maporsche,

Do you have any evidence that the hacking had any effect on the votes?
If you do, I'd like to see it or them.
How did the hacking affect the votes?

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@cicerone imposter,

Nobody has any evidence, but 0bama is busy trying to fabricate some as we speak.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Do you have any evidence that the hacking had any effect on the votes?
If you do, I'd like to see it or them.
How did the hacking affect the votes?

My brother in particular didn't vote for Hillary because the it was proven that the DNC preferred her over Sanders. If the hacking did not occur, this information would not have been made public. Hillary would have gotten at least 1 more vote.

It's anecdotal, but true. This is how the release of specifically hacked data can influence an election.

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@maporsche,

Hillary would have gotten one more vote based on your brother's vote? ROTL

What? Thumb's down and no explanation. Figures.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Hillary would have gotten one more vote based on your brother's vote? ROTL

What? Thumb's down and no explanation. Figures.

You're losing it man. Slowly but surely.

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Build the wall!!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/06/tmz-obama-building-wall-around-new-home/

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@georgeob1,

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I suspect his recent announcement is a result of some combination of pique on Woolsey's part at not being sufficiently consulted, and/or dissent with the direction or behavior of the Trump team in his asscciations with them.

So, no need to suspect, he said that he wasn't being consulted and didn't want his name on things that he wasn't participating in. Piqued would be a conclusion of that?

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Trump's announcement yesterday of a forthcoming "overhaul" of the intelligence community and other statement of his confirm his suspricions of corruption there.

I don't doubt that all branches of gov't have their corruptions. No news there. The takeaway for me is that Trump in acting like any other self respecting dictator and wants to overhaul the intelligence agency so he can ultimately provide insulations for his own corruptions..

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@catbeasy,

catbeasy wrote:

I don't doubt that all branches of gov't have their corruptions. No news there. The takeaway for me is that Trump in acting like any other self respecting dictator and wants to overhaul the intelligence agency so he can ultimately provide insulations for his own corruptions..

Or so he can "Make America Great Again!" A corrupt Intelligence corps of 17 different agencies run by one guy? Plus the FBI and CIA? Do we need that much Intelligence that fails so much?

I think an overhaul will be a good thing for the country.

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@catbeasy,

catbeasy wrote:

So, no need to suspect, he said that he wasn't being consulted and didn't want his name on things that he wasn't participating in. Piqued would be a conclusion of that?

No, I said rgat piqued or dissatisfied with the direction they were taking is the likely reason for his action. You are making up phoney issues here. Disappointing.

catbeasy wrote:

I don't doubt that all branches of gov't have their corruptions. No news there. The takeaway for me is that Trump in acting like any other self respecting dictator and wants to overhaul the intelligence agency so he can ultimately provide insulations for his own corruptions..

Trump isn't yet in power, so you don't know if he is a dictator or not. Moreover how could that illogical conclusion possibly be a "takeaway" from these statements of future intent?

You appear to be able to "see" things that aren't there in your overdone, illogical nitpicking.

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@georgeob1,

True; we can't presume how Trump will govern. I only hope our economy continues to grow.

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@McGentrix,

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Does that matter [who wrote it]? You'd think that facts were facts no matter the author.

Sure it does. It's not a factual matter but rather a matter of interpretation and opinion. Earlier in this discussion I had linked to a piece by Eugene Volokh which argued exactly the opposite conclusion:

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I often hear people argue that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But that’s a false dichotomy.

...But there is no basis for saying that the United States is somehow “not a democracy, but a republic.” “Democracy” and “republic” aren’t just words that a speaker can arbitrarily define to mean something (e.g., defining democracy as “a form of government in which all laws are made directly by the people”). They are terms that have been given meaning by English speakers more broadly. And both today and in the Framing era, “democracy” has been generally understood to include representative democracy as well as direct democracy.

LINK

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@cicerone imposter,

Our country hasn't grown in 8 years, that's not true, the number of illegals has grown & out nations debt has skyrocketed.

Let's give Trump a chance.

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@Frugal1,

Liar. Our country is the only one that has shown growth of about 3%.
The only year our economy took a plunge was in 2008 from the Great Recession that impacted the world's economy.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG
Where do you get your economic information from?

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@blatham,

Would you say that the US is a Republic with Democratic tendencies, or a Democracy with Republican tendencies?

The two writers look at different definitions of what a Democracy is, and that's the rub.

I'd say the the US is a Republic made of 50 individual states where a federal government , representing the 50 states, decide the laws as representatives of the people.

The people decide on representatives. The Representatives make the laws. Not the people. Thus a Representative Republic. The only real democratic part is that the representatives are elected through a majority vote.

How would you explain the US government?

(btw, the author of those words was me.)

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@cicerone imposter,

Did you look at your own link? many countries had much higher GDP growth than 3%. It's great that the US had 2.6% but other countries did much better.

The ones to take a good look at are countries in Africa where China has been putting a lot of money and other resources. They've had nice consistent growth in recent years. China is working with Latin America and Canada now and I'm hopeful we'll see similar results.

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@ehBeth,

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It's great that the US had 2.6%...

No, 2.6% is terrible for America.

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@georgeob1,

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No, I said rgat piqued or dissatisfied with the direction they were taking is the likely reason for his action. You are making up phoney issues here.

When you say 'dissatisfied with the direction they were taking, do you mean that he was in the meetings and he was dissatisfied with the direction per the content of those meetings? If so, I misunderstood you. Your comment makes sense in that context. Otherwise..

What relevance is my disappointing you to this discussion? Is there some takeaway for me? Because you have communicated your disappointment I am supposed to or likely to or will feel..what? What is your reasoning for saying this to me? Because you expected better from me, dad?

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Trump isn't yet in power, so you don't know if he is a dictator or not. Moreover how could that illogical conclusion possibly be a "takeaway" from these statements of future intent?

We have a merry go round on this one. But technically you are correct, if but for the reason that others will stop him. Perhaps I should better state it: He will attempt to be as dictatorial as he can get away with, which I believe will be far worse than other presidents totalitarian tendencies..

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You appear to be able to "see" things that aren't there in your overdone, illogical nitpicking.

I don't doubt I'm overdone from time to time and sometimes, yes, illogical and yes, nitpicky, but for you to lecture me on this stuff..man..projection much?

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@Frugal1,

Frugal1 wrote:

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It's great that the US had 2.6%...

No, 2.6% is terrible for America.

I'm literally curious what other major economies did better since 2009. By major I'm thinking like top 5 or 10 countries in the USA.

Anyone have that?

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@ehBeth,

https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/BL-REB-35951%3Fresponsive%3Dy?client=safari

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@maporsche,

That's the problem, you keep comparing us to other countries instead of what you know the US is capable of. You just can't bring yourself to do it because it would mean admitting that Obama didn't do as great a job as you think he did.

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