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BillW
 
  3  
Tue 6 Feb, 2018 09:17 pm
@ehBeth,
Should have sent him up in that Elon Musk car/rocket today. He could be Emperor of Mars for sure, the best ever!
ehBeth
 
  2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2018 09:22 pm
@BillW,
An even better idea!
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Feb, 2018 09:27 pm
@layman,
If ya don't believe them's the true facts, then here's the whole phone call, eh?


BillW
 
  2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2018 09:34 pm
@ehBeth,
After all, they have a dummy driving the car. What a waste of money, tRump would have been a better choice, it would be the same and the world would be healthier!
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BillW
 
  2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2018 09:59 pm
Quote:

The Atlantic: Boycott The Republican Party

Jonathan Rauch and Benjamin Wittes, in today’s issue of The Atlantic, call for a total boycott of the Republican Party. These are not bleeding-heart Liberals, or even NeverTrump Conservatives. Both Rauch and Wittes are respected for their non-partisan positions, and are fellows of the Brookings Institution.

This, then, is the article we thought we would never write: a frank statement that a certain form of partisanship is now a moral necessity. The Republican Party, as an institution, has become a danger to the rule of law and the integrity of our democracy.

We’re suggesting that in today’s situation, people should vote a straight Democratic ticket even if they are not partisan, and despite their policy views. They should vote against Republicans in a spirit that is, if you will, prepartisan and prepolitical. Their attitude should be: The rule of law is a threshold value in American politics, and a party that endangers this value disqualifies itself, period. In other words, under certain peculiar and deeply regrettable circumstances, sophisticated, independent-minded voters need to act as if they were dumb-ass partisans.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/5/1738977/-The-Atlantic-Boycott-the-Republican-Party
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BillW
 
  2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2018 10:02 pm
Quote:

Michael Gerson: Lickspittle wing of GOP is now firmly in charge

With the blessing of Republican leaders, the lickspittle wing of the GOP is now firmly in charge. The existence of reckless partisans such as Nunes is hardly surprising. The nearly uniform cowardice among elected Republicans is staggering. One is left wishing that Obamacare covered spine transplants. The Republican-led Congress is now an adjunct of the White House. The White House is now an adjunct of Trump’s chaotic will.

And what to make of Ryan? I have been a consistent defender of his good intentions. But after the 17th time saying he “knows better,” it dawns that he may not. By his recent actions, the speaker has provided political cover for a weakening of the constitutional order. He has been used as a tool while loudly insisting he is not a tool. The way Ryan is headed, history offers two possible verdicts: Either he enabled an autocrat, or he was intimidated by a fool. I believe Ryan to be a good person. But the greatest source of cynicism is not the existence of corrupt people in politics; it is good people who lose their way.

The political damage to the GOP as the party of corruption and cover-up should be obvious as well. This is a rare case when the rats, rather than deserting a sinking ship, seemed determined to ride it all the way down.

http://www.stltoday.com/opinion/columnists/national/michael-gerson-lickspittle-wing-of-gop-is-now-firmly-in/article_3de2e2de-43f5-53a7-a119-35a17522c4ec.html
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 01:44 am
@ehBeth,
The point is that any stupid quotation on twitter attributed to Trump will be believed. That's how low perception of the president has sunk.

My original link doesn't work.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-42959655
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 01:54 am
Trump continues to morph into Kim Jong Un. He's already nailed the ridiculous barnet.

Quote:
US President Donald Trump has asked the Pentagon to organise a large military parade in the nation's capital.

The president made the request of top military chiefs in late January, after reportedly being impressed by a French Bastille Day parade last year.

Military displays in Washington DC are usually only used to mark victory at the end of a war.

Democrats compared the plan to displays of military might organised by autocratic nations.

The plan was first revealed by the Washington Post, before being confirmed by the White House press secretary, Sarah Sanders.

"President Trump is incredibly supportive of America's great service members who risk their lives every day to keep our country safe," she said.

"He has asked the Department of Defense to explore a celebration at which all Americans can show their appreciation."

The Pentagon is now looking at the details of the event, though one White House official told the Washington Post plans were still at a "brainstorming" stage.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42969566

I think he's trying to make up for something.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 04:41 am
@nimh,
They’re complaining about the ability to receive quality care.
I pointed out that they’re not receiving quality care.

This seems like the greatest striving imaginable to avoid the reason the protests are happening and to try to reframe my comments.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 04:43 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I pointed out that they’re not receiving quality care.


Another lie, my father is receiving first class care.

All you do is lie, lie lie. Have you any idea what the truth is?
izzythepush
 
  3  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 04:49 am
Quote:
In the summer, US think tank the Commonwealth Fund ranked the NHS the number one health system in a comparison of 11 countries for safety, affordability and efficiency. It did less well when it came to cancer survival

The US was ranked last out of the 11 countries.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42950587
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Setanta
 
  3  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 05:57 am
What the NHS is currently not receiving is adequate funding, which anyone who was paying attention would have understood was the burden of the protests. Sofia Lash Goth is just parroting the conservative line on so-called "socialized" medicine.
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 06:09 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Re: Lash (Post 6592014)
Quote:
Lash wrote:
I pointed out that they’re not receiving quality care.


Another lie, my father is receiving first class care.

All you do is lie, lie lie. Have you any idea what the truth is?
Anyone who is as yet unaware that Lash is a rightwing troll pretending to be something else only needs to go and read what she writes in her fascism thread. I invite you on a tour of right wing media talking points, attacks on MSM (never right wing media), attacks on the DNC (never the RNC), with regular attacks on Hillary (the EMAILS!) and sympathies for Trump who's the victim of the left. For your delectation, a couple of quotes
Quote:
MSNBC, CNN, and other so-called MSMs also skew and omit News purposefully—perverting journalism to profit certain individuals and factions, including the DNC.

Just as bad as Fox.

Quote:
But this media-driven shaming of people who refuse to parrot the national narrative reminds me of how badly they fucked up the election expectations.

The media sat on camera on election night crying, gobsmacked, and just wrong as ****. They all knew Hillary would cruise to an easy victory. Because they are so removed from the people who live in this country.

They almost uniformly hold the same opinions, and drive the same agenda.

They are trying to cram the Russia narrative down the throats of this country just like they tried to force a Clinton presidency.




georgeob1
 
  -2  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 06:12 am
@Setanta,
The lack of adequate (government) funding was also the complaint of the industries producing consumer goods and services in the Soviet Union. The problem was the state was never able to organize the economic activity to pay for its cadres and the services it promised. "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us", was the ironic joke common in the Soviet Union. The same goes today for the gangster socialist governments of Cuba and Venezuela. All this illustrates the contradictions between the systems designed by those who believe they (alone) know what is good for everyone else, and the real complexities of human nature. Enormous efforts and investments were made in various socialist paradises throughout Europe, Asia and post colonial Africa throughout the 20th century. The results were fairly uniform; poverty tyranny, and stagnation.

It is said that sometimes the slaves learn to love their chains: Izzy appears to be one. Though I suspect he may love the idea of the NHS more than the fact of it.

and stagnation.
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 06:16 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Anyone who is as yet unaware that Lash is a rightwing troll pretending to be something else only needs to go and read what she writes in her fascism thread. I invite you on a tour of right wing media talking points, attacks on MSM (never right wing media), attacks on the DNC (never the RNC), with regular attacks on Hillary (the EMAILS!) and sympathies for Trump who's the victim of the left.


How would you then describe yourself? A dispassionate observer of human affairs and the complexities that are so evident in them?

I think not.

I'm in Washington on business - it's 7:15 AM here. You're apparently up early (or late) in Vancouver.


Setanta
 
  3  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 06:18 am
@georgeob1,
Attempting to compare the NHS to the Soviet Union--I love it! Just when you think conservative dogma couldn't get any more dunderheaded . . .
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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 06:33 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
The lack of adequate (government) funding was also the complaint of the industries producing consumer goods and services in the Soviet Union.
Also the complaint of corporate entities like Amazon who refuse to build/operate in some city/state because the government there isn't being generous enough in tax breaks.

Quote:
It is said that sometimes the slaves learn to love their chains: Izzy appears to be one. Though I suspect he may love the idea of the NHS more than the fact of it.
Such a perfect example of an ideologue managing a double twisting backflip with three rotations. Note the axiom underneath this:

If some community decides, by democratic consensus, to organize themselves in a social compact where everyone chips in to the end of providing health care for all, then they are - must be - in a state of unthinking and improper servitude. Or they will inevitably become such. They are like addicts. Once hooked, they can't change their minds.

That is the only defense the right has on offer to counter the fact that no successful western nation with a government managed health program (which is all of them) has a constituency to get rid of their programs. To george and others of similar mind, this fact can only be the consequence of citizens making the wrong choice and it would be immoral of george and friends to allow it to continue. george and his friends know better what is really best for those citizens.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 06:35 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
How would you then describe yourself?
Simple point. I'm not lying about who I am and what I believe. Lash is. It's a behavior I find utterly despicable.

PS... I'm often up anywhere from 1:00 AM to 4:00 AM for some hours. This is when I get most of my reading/writing done.
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Wed 7 Feb, 2018 06:55 am
@blatham,
Well I do believe in anti trust laws and the need to limit the power very large companies can exert on communities. Amazon (and a few others) are, in my view candidate for such limitations. Beyond that the various tax breaks states provide to attract business investment are usually examples of the internal contradictions within the states themselves regarding appropriate levels of taxation. The competition that results is disorderly, but - in my view - usually (not always) a net benefit to all.

I don't believe that most social compacts involving both shared services & benefits and progressive tax rates to pay for them are necessarily addictive or examples of servitude at all. Instead I was referring to some rather extreme and local cases. The situation attendant to the creation of the UK NHS; the near continuous political issues regarding its funding and the quality of its service over the past decades; and the zeal shown by Izzy suggested the servitude model to me. I believe there is an element of truth in it.

You are exaggerating my words and thoughts to make a deceptive point.

It's hard in any democracy to persuade recipients of apparently free stuff to forego it. That's not hard to understand. As Machiavelli wrote in 'Discourses on Livy' , "humans are industrious only out of necessity". It is certainly true of myself. Necessity and challenge are what stimulate us to achievement, self mastery, and ultimately happiness.

We've got a cold front with freezing rain going through here today. Ugly weather!


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