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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
catbeasy
 
  1  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 04:54 pm
@tony5732,
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what do you think will go wrong with this America Russia picture? Honest question, your more historically educated than me.

I don't know, I'm not that smart. All I know is that I smell a rat. When you spy your girlfriend across the street cozying up to some dude she used to hate, there are all kinds of things that could happen. It might be they've truly reconciled, it might be they're plotting to remove you from the picture! It might be they just plan to have clandestine sex.

But wouldn't you be cautious. Is my comparison valid? Is Russia like the girlfriend across the street? I would argue that the micro reflects the macro. On the whole, broad outlining here, what you see is what you get. I see Trump cozying up to a once hated country. It just doesn't feel right. There's too much bad stuff on both sides.

I see Trump as a self serving dude who pretends to be on your side and ahs big plans for the rich. He's also politically naïve when it comes to running a country so there's a lot he cannot account for and that leaves him vulnerable to really shitty voices in his ear.

Putin? There's so much crap he's involved with, we could add to our analogy that you see a trail of dead and mutilated bodies behind your g-friend and her friend as well as a string of home invasions!

It doesn't mean that they did it, or that if they did, they didn't have good reason, but again, there's at least reason for caution, but probably more than that; if this Russia thing goes down to any extent, I feel it will be in the history books alongside Nixon's Vietnam, Reagan's Contra BS, McCarthy's commies etc..
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 04:57 pm
@maporsche,
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Ok. It's been that way for the history of our country.

To think our govt has been scamming us for it's entire history is cynical.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 04:58 pm
@catbeasy,
I don't think Trump is politically naïve at all! He won the election.
That's quite a feat for a narcissistic, crotch grabbing, racial bigot, scammer, and liar.
Just goes to prove how rotten our country is today.
Trump the narcissist: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/22/is-donald-trump-a-textbook-narcissist/?utm_term=.21849f5fc521
Trump the crotch grabber: http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/10/13/donald-trump-jr.-grabbing-women-crotch-makes-dad-human/
Trump the racial bigot: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-bigot-and-a-racist/2015/12/01/a2a47b96-9872-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html?utm_term=.5216a2fd6022
Trump the liar: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/11/23/donald-trump-is-constantly-lying/?utm_term=.6b5455796e9e
Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 05:06 pm
@maporsche,
Well that is indeed a tax issue. Rolling Eyes Although it really hasn't anything to do with taxes but rather how those taxes are spent... Did you vote for or against? I'll save my guess but I think I know how you voted.

I guess I should have asked when the last time you got to vote on whether your taxes go up or not? ie: raise the sales tax or whether your property tax percentage is going to be raised.
Builder
 
  -2  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 05:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
LOL. Trump didn't win anything, and the people who voted for him aren't a basket of deplorables.

The people voted against neoliberal fascism, and hopefully halted the march towards war with Russia and China.

Remember, you said it yourself, that you had to hold your nose to vote the way you did. Many chose not to.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 05:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You ain't lying... 0bama did make our country pretty rotten, but Trump has plans to make it better.

We owe him the opportunity to do the job America hired him to do, I'd buy that for a dollar.
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 05:23 pm
2015 auto sales in the US broke all prior records. Then 2016 did even better. So let's look back a bit.

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in 2009, the American auto industry was on the verge of collapse. At the time, the Great Recession was already ravaging the economy and the jobs crisis was intensifying, and without an effective plan, hundreds of thousands of Americans – employees of storied American companies – were headed for the unemployment line.

President Obama took a gamble on an unpopular plan, which fortunately worked like a charm. As he prepares to exit the stage, the success of his industry rescue clearly belongs among his most notable accomplishments.

It also represents one of the Republicans’ most obvious failures. GOP leaders were absolutely certain the White House policy would fail miserably, and they were hilariously wrong.

Consider some of the predictions Republicans made at the time, as pulled together by ThinkProgress.

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Rep. John Boehner (R-OH): “Does anyone really believe that politicians and bureaucrats in Washington can successfully steer a multi-national corporation to economic viability?” [6/1/09]

Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL): “It’s basically going to be a government-owned, government-run company…. It’s the road toward socialism.” [5/29/09]

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC): “Now the government has forced taxpayers to buy these failing companies without any plausible plan for profitability. Does anyone think the same government that plans to double the national debt in five years will turn GM around in the same time?” [6/2/09]

Rep. Tom Price (R-GA): “Unfortunately, this is just another sad chapter in President Obama’s eager campaign to interject his administration in the private sector’s business dealings.” [6/2/09]

Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ): When government gets involved in a company, “the disaster that follows is predictable.” [7/22/09]
SOCIALISM!!

cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 05:23 pm
@Builder,
I voted for Hillary while holding my nose, because I think she's running for power and American history over the interest of the American people. I give her credit for devoting her life to women causes all around the world. That beats Trump by about 100%.
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maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 05:31 pm
@Baldimo,
I voted that funds should go to transportation, so did 80% of voters.
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McGentrix
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 05:33 pm
@tony5732,
Yes, words do have meaning...

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Is the United States a democracy?
The Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase: "and to the republic for which it stands." Is the United States of America a republic? I always thought it was a democracy? What's the difference between the two?

The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10).

By popular usage, however, the word "democracy" come to mean a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power. In this sense the United States might accurately be called a democracy. However, there are examples of "pure democracy" at work in the United States today that would probably trouble the Framers of the Constitution if they were still alive to see them. Many states allow for policy questions to be decided directly by the people by voting on ballot initiatives or referendums. (Initiatives originate with, or are initiated by, the people while referendums originate with, or are referred to the people by, a state's legislative body.) That the Constitution does not provide for national ballot initiatives or referendums is indicative of the Framers' opposition to such mechanisms. They were not confident that the people had the time, wisdom or level-headedness to make complex decisions, such as those that are often presented on ballots on election day.

Writing of the merits of a republican or representative form of government, James Madison observed that one of the most important differences between a democracy and a republic is "the delegation of the government [in a republic] to a small number of citizens elected by the rest." The primary effect of such a scheme, Madison continued, was to:

. . . refine and enlarge the public views by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations. Under such a regulation it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the same purpose (Federalist No. 10).
Later, Madison elaborated on the importance of "refining and enlarging the public views" through a scheme of representation:

There are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice and truth can regain their authority over the public mind(Federalist No. 63).
In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV, Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.

To the extent that the United States of America has moved away from its republican roots and become more "democratic," it has strayed from the intentions of the Constitution's authors. Whether or not the trend toward more direct democracy would be smiled upon by the Framers depends on the answer to another question. Are the American people today sufficiently better informed and otherwise equipped to be wise and prudent democratic citizens than were American citizens in the late 1700s? By all accounts, the answer to this second question is an emphatic "no."
Baldimo
 
  1  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 05:40 pm
@blatham,
The only thing Obama did was save the retirement plans of the Union workers, because those would have been cratered in a normal bankruptcy. BTW, it wasn't the whole industry, it was 2 companies.

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tony5732
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 05:59 pm
@maporsche,
Petitions decide what goes in the ballot, every petition would need a minimum amount of signatures to push an issue.

I have a little more faith in the average Joe, but foreign policy IS way different than domestic affairs for me. I think you are right about that. But there are plenty of issues at home that could be voted on by the people. Abortion, minimum wage, business regulations, drug legalization and illegalization, social security, where our taxes go, immigration, that kind of stuff. These are issues people know, understand, and have an opinion on. If they do not than they are not REQUIRED to vote.

Foreign affairs, like trade and war, a lot of people don't seem to know much about. I know I don't. These should be left to our representatives. The "average joe" is no longer adequate.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 06:10 pm
@glitterbag,
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but you might have to kiss that goodbye on January 20th 2017.


Replace might with will.
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RABEL222
 
  3  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 06:15 pm
@tony5732,
How about the U K or the EEC? Screw Russia and Putin. He like our future president tRump is only worried about themselves.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 06:17 pm
@McGentrix,
No author noted. Any idea who wrote that?
RABEL222
 
  2  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 06:25 pm
@blatham,
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How about if you just knock off all the personal insults and snide remarks.


He cant. If he did he would have nothing.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 06:29 pm
@RABEL222,
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He cant. If he did he would have nothing.

I've know George for a long time and that's not true. But presently he falls to snideness and insult far to commonly.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 06:32 pm
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More than 150 financial institutions hold debt from President-elect Donald Trump’s businesses or businesses in which he is at least a 30 percent stakeholder, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

That amounts to hundreds of millions of dollars in potential conflicts of interest as Trump prepares to begin his presidency.
LINK
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 06:36 pm
@maporsche,
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The EC has absolutely zero to do with any difference between a republic or a democracy.


Except providing the ability to elect a president with a minority of voters.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 5 Jan, 2017 06:42 pm
@RABEL222,
The reason many people quit voting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/what-is-the-electoral-college_n_2078970.html
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