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glitterbag
 
  4  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 12:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
We all missed that Walter.
Builder
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 12:11 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
We all missed that Walter.


We also all missed what happened to all that "pay to play" money funneled to the Clinton Foundation, during her years as SoS.

We'll find out, soon enough, I guess.

While the release of this memo isn't ground-breaking to most, it does confirm several rather pertinent points; the first and most important being this one; the prior administration removed all stops to using the agencies of justice to push for the continuation of govt control over the nation, by their party.

Whether or not the president himself was part and parcel of this push remains to be seen, but the fact remains, that it goes a lot deeper than what the memo indicates, and the situation definitely warrants a full-blown investigation by independent means, of the DOJ and FBI.

To push for anything other than the above, is to indicate that you're not interested in any form of democratic or legal or moral process for your nation.
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Real Music
 
  3  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 12:47 am
Memo Would Potentially Backfire On Trump Administration Itself — Devin Nunes Leaves Key Fact In Memo

The memo is out, but is it really a good move for the Republican Party?


Quote:
The memo, now available to the public, has one main claim and that is the FBI’s instigation on the collusion is solely based on the supposedly fabricated Steele dossier. Apparently, the memo left out one key fact that would disprove the entire memo the GOP has been depending on. According to VICE, the memo claims that the FBI started a surveillance on former Trump foreign policy adviser Carter Page in 2016 after the dossier was released. However, the FBI actually started surveillance on Page back in 2014, even before Trump campaigned for office.

According to CNN, the surveillance warrant was prompted after the FBI tracked a Russian spy communicating with another Russian spy and saying that Page is looking to work with them. From Page, the FBI has now expanded its efforts to unravel the depths of a potential Russian collusion now that Trump has successfully claimed the highest office in the United States of America.

These facts cut down the four-page memo to pieces.

“But, even after reading only the Republicans’ memo, we can say two things. First, the F.B.I. and the Justice Department didn’t base their application to monitor Page entirely on Steele’s work. And, second, and more important, the Trump-Russia investigation didn’t begin with the Steele dossier. “

So, even if the memo is out for the public, for the GOP, it’s more on creating traction on the overwhelming support they receive, and building a united front against the opposition, than whether or not the memo can actually shut the FBI down.

https://www.inquisitr.com/4768402/memo-would-potential-backfire-on-trump-administration-itself-devin-nunes-leaves-key-fact-in-memo/
Builder
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 01:28 am
@Real Music,
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blatham
 
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Sat 3 Feb, 2018 01:48 am
@ehBeth,
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. Indeed, the FBI used journalism funded by Steve Bannon to investigate Hillary Clinton.
I guess they forgot about that. It's unfortunate someone didn't remind them because then the Nunes memo wouldn't even have happened.
Builder
 
  -3  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 01:50 am
@blatham,
Quote:
......because then the Nunes memo wouldn't even have happened.


You can wish all you like, but it's out there, and you didn't explain why it wouldn't be.
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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 01:55 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
On Friday, stocks tumbled by more than 2 percent, propelling the market to its worst week in two years.
NYT

Clearly this is because of Trump, yes?
layman
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 01:56 am
Could ya, like, maybe get just a little more circular there, ya think? I mean, like, would that be possible, ya figure?:

Quote:
Yahoo News' Michael Isikoff describes crucial meeting cited in Nunes memo

Isikoff said he was introduced to Steele by Glenn Simpson, the former journalist who founded the research firm, Fusion GPS, who invited him to meet a “secret source” at a Washington restaurant.

“Glenn had booked a private room upstairs so that no one would see us,” Isikoff recalled. “During the hour or so we talked that day, Steele tells me an amazing story — how one of Donald Trump’s foreign policy advisers, Carter Page, had flown to Moscow and had private talks with close associates of Vladimir Putin about lifting U.S. sanctions against Russia.”

“And Steele tells me something else that day that gets my attention: He’s taken this information to the FBI and the bureau is very interested,” Isikoff continued. “Why were they interested? What did the bureau know that would prompt them to take the extraordinary step to launch an investigation into an adviser of the Republican nominee for president?”

Isikoff said his resulting story did not rely solely on what Steele told him.

“I talked to a senior U.S. law enforcement official who was well aware of these allegations,” Isikoff said. “For me, the key piece, the reason that this was a story, was the fact that the FBI was investigating Page.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/yahoo-news-michael-isikoff-describes-crucial-meeting-cited-nunes-memo-231005733.html

Ya see what's happening here? Basically this Yahoo guy is saying he published the story only because the FBI told him it was valid. The FBI then tells the FISA court that the Steele dossier is valid because it has been "confirmed" by the Yahoo article the guy published.

Here I thought that the FBI would NEVER confirm or deny the existence of an ongoing investigation, eh? That's why, they said, they refused to tell the public that Trump wasn't under investigation.

Fusion, Steele, and Clinton were lobbying every newpaper and it's brother to publish this dossier. They all refused: they knew better. The FISA court didn't know better, unfortunately.

Just think! If only they could have talked 5-6 newspaper into publishing it , they could have told the world that the whole fiction novel had been "independently confirmed" by 5-6 other "sources." Then even Fox News and Trump would have to fess up, eh?
Builder
 
  -3  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 02:09 am
@layman,
I think the street kids call this a cluster-****, layman.

The clique here call it good legal practise.
blatham
 
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Sat 3 Feb, 2018 02:28 am
Washington Sucks!

Imagine how many more Americans are now coming to this sentiment. There are very good reasons why they might be. From Trump and Rubio making penis-size remarks to all the other crudenesses and lies coming out of Trump's mouth (defended by most Republican politicos), to a network totally devoted to forwarding one party (while using tits and ass to draw viewers), to the broad rejection of ethical and moral norms we see from modern conservatism, to the severe tribalism encouraged almost totally from the modern right, to the assault on medical insurance and science and environmental regs and all the other aspects of modern US politics citizens have damned good reason to imagine Washington as a swamp.

But the thing we really must keep in mind through this awful period is that all of the above, culminating in growing negative notions citizens hold, serves the interests of those who hate a government which has and will constrain their desires for political domination over others. These people WANT citizens to detest institutions of government. Why? It is not just ideological (and it is an extremist ideology) but more importantly it is because government is the only organized entity which has the power and means to keep power in the hands of citizens rather than them.
layman
 
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Sat 3 Feb, 2018 02:31 am
@Builder,
The cheese-eaters were screaming that the release of this memo would compromise intelligence "sources and methods" thereby putting the lives of others at risk. After seeing the memo, it's clear that this was nothing but completely bogus posturing.

But what's really funny is that the Democratic memo, which they have been insisting must be released, is reportedly "chock-full" of truly sensitive classified information.

Many interviews have been held with congressmen on these committees since this has come out. The Democrats are saying that the memo contains false claims (such as what McCabe said in his testimony). The FBI has said they could find no factual errors in the memo, and republicans say the democrats are just flat-out lying. They say McCabe repeatedly said, under questioning, that no FISA warrant would have been sought without the "dossier." All of these same republicans also say they fully support the release of the underlying transcripts and documents, to the full extent possible without compromising sources (perhaps with some redactions).

This aint over. Whoever is lying here, republican or democrat, will eventually be exposed as liars, I figure. We'll see who's lyin.
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MontereyJack
 
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Sat 3 Feb, 2018 02:35 am
@oristarA,
Trump and Trumpists,obviously. It's retaliation for the proofless "lock her up" anti-Hillary chant.
layman
 
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Sat 3 Feb, 2018 02:44 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Trump and Trumpists,obviously. It's retaliation for the proofless "lock her up" anti-Hillary chant.


Heh, "proofless," eh? Comey himself laid out all the evidence necessary to indict Clinton (despite withholding crucial information). Comey just said that he couldn't prove that Clinton intended to violate the law. But, as anyone who can read can see for themselves, the statute CLEARLY states that proof of intent is NOT required in order to charge and convict a wrong-doer.

So, again, the proof was given by Comey himself, even though he had made up his mind that he was not going to charge her with anything long before the investigation ever took place.

Nice try, cheese-eater.
Builder
 
  -3  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 02:50 am
@layman,
It's quite interesting that despite all the evidence pointing to the DOJ working towards assisting a DNC election win, nobody is mentioning HRC herself.
Builder
 
  -3  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 02:56 am
@blatham,
Quote:
but more importantly it is because government is the only organized entity which has the power and means to keep power in the hands of citizens rather than them.


Care to explain that crock of **** to the people, blather?
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layman
 
  -4  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 02:59 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

It's quite interesting that despite all the evidence pointing to the DOJ working towards assisting a DNC election win, nobody is mentioning HRC herself.


Yeah, I figure that's because it's old news, eh? Everybody already knew that Clinton is thoroughly corrupt. But Comey's reputation was previously 'impeccable" according to the conventional wisdom. Same with all these other frauds constituting the FBI's top brass, ya know? So that's the "news."
Builder
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 03:02 am
@layman,
Thanks. I appreciate the time taken to make an explanation.

I'll also note that blather never takes the time to explain any of his claims, no matter how outlandish.
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hightor
 
  2  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 03:22 am
@blatham,
"On Friday, stocks tumbled by more than 2 percent, propelling the market to its worst week in two years."
blatham wrote:
Clearly this is because of Trump, yes?

The evidence points directly at Obama.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 04:14 am
@hightor,
Of course, you can believe the "Trump truth" - which some people here do or even go further.

But the determination with which he is now taking action against the FBI and his own Ministry of Justice can be interpreted in a completely different way: namely as a panic attempt, throwing smoke grenades.
Trump may want to cover up misconduct or even criminal acts in his environment or his owns, undermine the FBI's credibility and get rid of disagreeable investigators before they can endanger him.

I really would like to know the FBI's other arguments, which are not mentioned in the memo. But they must be such a top secret that the Republicans oppose publishing them.
roger
 
  2  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 04:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Nor sure, Walter, but I think that was a joke.
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