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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:19 am
@revelette1,
If accurate... yikes.
hightor
 
  3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:35 am
@revelette1,
They pranked Perry last July but that doesn't seem like much of a challenge.
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:42 am
Trump does another NYT interview. If you didn't know already, he's quite nuts.
Quote:
“I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest C.P.A. I know the details of health care better than most, better than most.”

Quote:
[I know] more about the big bills “than any president that’s ever been in office.”

Quote:
[Chinese President Xi Jinping “treated me better than anybody’s ever been treated in the history of China,”

NYT
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:46 am
Why do people tend to assume that "class warfare" is waged mainly or even only upwards by those at the bottom?
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:54 am
@blatham,
Because only the rich can afford advertising.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:56 am
@blatham,
look for another version of the same interview

John Dean has noted that the NYT edited a bunch of crazy out of it
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 08:56 am
@izzythepush,
It was a good paper mind.

http://www.classwarparty.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/cw-newspaper-frontz.jpg
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 09:00 am
From the How to Make America Great Again official manual
Quote:
A June Pew Research Center survey found that a majority of Republicans believe colleges and universities have a “negative effect on the way things are going in the country.” Democrats overwhelmingly said the opposite.
WP

This notion held by the majority of Republicans was fully explained to all students enrolling at Trump University, I understand.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 09:01 am
@izzythepush,
Perfect answer, izzy!
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 09:02 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
John Dean has noted that the NYT edited a bunch of crazy out of it
My eyes will be peeled. Was that a Dean tweet?
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 09:02 am
@layman,
It's always refreshing to read the Southern Baptist view of the world.
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izzythepush
 
  4  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 09:09 am
Quote:
South Korea has revealed it seized a Hong Kong-registered ship last month suspected of supplying oil to the North in breach of international sanctions.

Officials said the Lighthouse Winmore had secretly transferred 600 tonnes of refined oil to a North Korean ship.

A UN Security Council resolution bans ship-to-ship transfers of any goods destined for Pyongyang.

The revelations came as China denied claims by President Donald Trump it had allowed oil shipments to the North.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42510783

Trump accuses China of selling oil to NK illegally and China replies with 'Fake News.' That bit him on the arse bloody quick.
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MontereyJack
 
  4  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 09:15 am
@layman,
They could have just complied with the law and baked the cake and paid no fine in the first place.5
ehBeth
 
  4  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 09:26 am
It's been mentioned before but there are a few more details available on this

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/28/1728250/-NEW-Devin-Nunes-Campaign-Donor-Was-Original-Funder-Of-Trump-Russia-Dossier

Quote:
Republican Congressman Devin Nunes received a $5,400 contribution to his campaign committee from the owner of the Washington Free Beacon, the original funder of the Trump-Russia Dossier. The contribution was made on April 7th, 2015. It was reported in the NY Times in late October that Paul Singer’s conservative website originally funded the research for what became known as the Dossier


more links at the link
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ehBeth
 
  4  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 09:49 am
@blatham,
yes - apparently they couldn't fit the whole transcript in

watch for it elsewhere - maybe JMartnyt will link to it?
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hightor
 
  6  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 11:01 am
@layman,
Wow, layman, that's all it took? One book?
Albert Mohler wrote:
Conceiving their book as a “gay manifesto for the 1990s,” the authors called for homosexuals to repackage themselves as mainstream citizens demanding equal treatment, rather than as a promiscuous sexual minority seeking greater opportunity and influence.

I think it's a lot more likely that people who hadn't really thought about it that much before began to see bible-based opposition to gay rights as prejudiced and discriminatory. Those gays who Mohler says were "marginalized" were never more than a small and distinct minority of the gay population as a whole. And if promiscuity were such a salient characteristic of homosexuality why would they be fighting for the right to get married?
Kirk and Madsen wrote:
We argue that, for all practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been born gay–even though sexual orientation, for most humans, seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescence.

Well obviously infants and toddlers aren't going to announce as gay. Of course a propensity to same sex attraction is going to emerge later on in a child's development.
Mohler wrote:
Those who oppose the normalization of homosexuality have indeed been presented as backwoods, antiquated, and dangerous people...

Since the anti-gay rights population in the '90s was largely comprised of people who were also opposed to women's rights, family planning, and the teaching of evolution I think the characterization is fair. Why should the rest of the country adopt the moral viewpoint of bible-thumping Southern Baptists anyway?

The push for homosexual rights is an international phenomenon aided by the decline of religion in advanced societies, a recognition of basic human rights, and common sense. Straight society simply has nothing to fear from a diverse group of people which might make up 5% of the population. After the Ball describes social changes already underway at the time and anticipates some of the political strategies which developed over the next 20 years but it would be a stretch to see it as some sort of insidious "master plan" which directly led to the somewhat improved social status which homosexuals experience in the USA today.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2017 11:12 am
@hightor,
The law is the law.

It's easier said than done, but the Kleins can move to another state without such a law and start up a new bakery. I have a feeling that their notoriety will bring them immediate new business if they find the right place for their views.

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the complaining lesbian couple. Death threats are vile and never to be excused and I'm quite sure that they have been harassed. I wish this wasn't the case, but this whole mess could have been avoided if they simply went to another bakery for their cake instead of trying to make a federal case out of it. It's not as if they have struck a blow for lesbians in the state in which they live. I'm pretty sure that the number of bakeries in the state that will make wedding cakes for same-sex marriages outnumbers those that won't by a vast amount.

Being heroes for a cause means that you are willing to face the consequences of your actions. If there are none, your act was not heroic.

People outside of any given state should stop sticking their noses in the business of those who live there. Oregon is a beautiful state that has much going for it, but it's not a place where I would live, because of politics. If Oregonians wish to have their laws reflect their ideology, that's fine with me as long as none of their laws are clearly unconstitutional. I don't think this one was.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 11:30 am
@blatham,
Of course, it can, as it always has.

Your prescription for avoiding this?

The notion that government controls will eliminate all tragedies is absurd. I'm not familiar with the facts of the Grendell Tower fire but I seriously doubt that the government of London and the UK have no controls in place that they believe will prevent such tragedies. What went wrong? Someone on the control side, I imagine, was either not doing their job or was paid to look the other way.

Government controls for public safety are a good thing, but it's interesting that the recourse that a hard-core free marketer would argue is all that is necessary - civil actions in courts, remains in place despite government controls. One might think that in exchange for costly regulations and controls, business would be offered at least liability limits if not immunity, but no. Companies and professionals assume the cost and remain 100% exposed when the regulations fail. In most cases, it is the government that imposes ineffective regulations or fails to properly enforce them that has immunity.

This would be all well and good if corporations were all unbridled predators willing to sacrifice lives for a dime of profit, but that's clearly not the case. However, it seems that way to leftists who have zero ability to see any good in private business beyond the Basket Maker at the local flea market or the Head Shop on Main Street.

How much better it would be if the government controlled the means of production?

Chernobyl.
farmerman
 
  2  
Fri 29 Dec, 2017 11:36 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
How certain re you that "another bakery" would not have acted just as judgemental.
Equal rights mean that what you consider "your rights" dont interfere with others.

Like when layman, a person with a black singer avatar got all over Philly for a 2010 judgement against the city. The city tried to legislate by a tax levy, against the local BSA council for forbidding membership of gay kids and forbidding any scout leaders of Gay persuasions (as if it were catching).

We havent really grown up in either case have we?
Who actually began the "Federal Case"? The couple for not having their cake order taken,? or the bakery for claiming that it was practicing its Amendment 1"Freedom of" religion option by refusal of service.?
Unlike Hobby Lobby, I saw no constitutional references about service refusal for cake decorations (except for NO shirt, NO shoes=NO SERVICE)

I think you should spend more time looking at things from both poles rather than just reading and believing the Limbaugh Doctrines.
 

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