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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

layman wrote:
I wonder why not? Oh, yeah, that's right, because it's not required.

You're wrong, but it's endearing how you're trying.

It's not listed because it links to the online registration, and the website rejects AB-60s as invalid.

Ya think? That's funny...sez here:

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If you do not have a California driver license or identification card number but you enter your other information, the website will create a pre-filled voter registration application for you to print, sign, and mail. All of your information will be sent directly to your county elections office so that when your signed application arrives in the mail, the county elections staff will simply add your signature to your voter registration record.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/frequently-asked-questions/

Are you actually claiming that proof of citizenship is required in order to vote in California!?

It's also worth noting that you do not need to give your social security number to register, or show your SS card. You only need to give 4 numbers.

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@McGentrix,

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blatham wrote:
Clinton's margin in the popular vote has now exceeded 2.5 million.

Is that important? Bernie Sanders also won the popular vote, but somehow he didn't get the nomination. Things in America aren't dependent on the popular vote.

The electoral system is what it is. We all have to live with that. Trump is legitimately the President. But of course it is important that the majority of Americans voted for someone else and against Trump's ascendancy (and Trump clearly doesn't think this irrelevant).

The importance has two facets. First, the system in the US can produce and has produced non-democratic outcomes. That in itself is no small thing. Second, any claim being made (and these claims are being made broadly) that Trump's win signals a compelling mandate for his policies/ideas delivered by American citizens is a falsehood. Those who spread this do it for obvious reasons but because it is false, it is a propaganda move. We need to be acutely on alert for such falsehoods and such propagandist initiatives because they can have no other outcome than a misinformed and thus stupider civic community.

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@blatham,

All I care about is our economy. As long as Trump doesn't screw up our economy, I'm okay with his election.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

Bernie Sanders also won the popular vote, but somehow he didn't get the nomination.

FALSE

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America is not a democracy the founding fathers did everything possible to eliminate mob rule / democracy in this country.

Trump's landslide victory over that nasty woman earned him a clear mandate.

https://flatoutunconstitutional.com/2016/11/11/trump-won-no-more-compromises/

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

You're wrong, but it's endearing how you're trying.

Could ya, like, maybe, get just a little more condescending and pretentious there, ya think? I mean, like, would that be possible?

Endear this, cheese-eater.

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@layman,

I'm saying that AB-60s cannot be used to register to vote. It says so right on the license. It will get rejected by the website. It will get rejected in person.

Are you saying that being able to register in other ways is evidence that you can register with an AB-60, or are you quietly dropping that claim and just moving on to the next one?

Because I really like that about conspiracy theorists: One claim debunked? Move on to the next one.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

I'm saying that AB-60s cannot be used to register to vote. It says so right on the license. It will get rejected by the website. It will get rejected in person.

Yeah, well, say it again, why doncha? Turns out, you don't need any license to register. You can just check "no license" if ya want.

What happens then? I done said. So you would know if you can read.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

Trash the Constitution? You mean put it back together again, right? The Dem's have trashed it enough. Hopefully Trump will re-establish what the Federal govt is supposed to be like.

You're obviously right, McGentrix.

If there's one thing we all can appreciate about Trump, it's his deep understanding of the Constitution and the rights it affords everyone:

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

The electoral system is what it is. We all have to live with that. Trump is legitimately the President. But of course it is important that the majority of Americans voted for someone else and against Trump's ascendancy (and Trump clearly doesn't think this irrelevant).

You don't have to live with it at all: you are not a U.S. citizen.. ( What's with the double negative above?)

blatham wrote:

The importance has two facets. First, the system in the US can produce and has produced non-democratic outcomes. That in itself is no small thing. Second, any claim being made (and these claims are being made broadly) that Trump's win signals a compelling mandate for his policies/ideas delivered by American citizens is a falsehood. Those who spread this do it for obvious reasons but because it is false, it is a propaganda move. We need to be acutely on alert for such falsehoods and such propagandist initiatives because they can have no other outcome than a misinformed and thus stupider civic community.

What a lot of self-inflated, pompous nonsense!
=> Our Constitution clearly defines the Democratic practices of this federal republic, and the election is in conformity with it. Your statement about the non-democratic outcome is mere posturing, without meaning. (You do that a lot: it is merely stupid).
=> The Republicans won control of both houses of Congress ( a combined majority that hasn't been seen in five decades) and continued a long-term trend of growing control of state governorships and legislatures ( roughly 35 of 50 states). Moreover, current indicators strongly suggest that the Republican majorities will grow further in the next election two years from now. That is widely recognized as a very strong mandate. and there are many visible (and growing) indicators that it will indeed be manifest in significant legislative action in the months ahead. Your presumptuous god-like denial of this obvious fact is more of the same empty, stupid posturing.
=> I am bemused by your comment "We need to be acutely on the alert for such falsehoods and such propaganda...." Where the hell do you get the "we" bit ? You aren't one of us: you are a Canadian. This is not your affair. Surely there must be something up there to interest you. This stuff makes me wonder about your grasp on reality.

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@old europe,

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Do I need a California State ID to Vote?

If this is your first time voting and you are registered by mail without giving your California driver’s license or state identification number or the last four digits of your social security number, then you may need to show photo identification (e. g. valid driver’s license or state ID) or a paycheck, utility bill, or government document that shows your name and address.

http://sandiegofreepress.org/2016/11/do-i-need-a-california-id-to-vote-where-is-my-polling-place-the-sdfp-quick-and-easy-guide-to-election-day/

Let's see now...I can register by giving a driver's license/ID OR the "last four digits" of a social security number, and if I do that, I can vote.

If I don't do that, then I "may" need to show a photo ID. But otherwise, I'm good.

But what if I don't have even a photo ID? That's cool, just show something else, like a utility bill, which could be my brother's, how would they know?

Just answer the damn question, eh?:

Are you actually claiming that you need to show proof of citizenship to vote in California!?

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@layman,

Hint: You don't need to be a citizen to get a California ID card to begin with, and you don't need a driver's license, AB-60 or not.

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@georgeob1,

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Where the hell do you get the "we" bit ? You aren't one of us: you are a Canadian. This is not your affair.

It seems a bit ignorant to imply that whoever is President of the United States of America, or that whichever party holds a majority in the House and the Senate or gets to determine what the Supreme Court looks like will have absolutely no repercussions for the rest of the world.

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@old europe,

But I made no such implication. The world is highly connected now, and has been so for a very long time. What other nations do can affect us as well. That however doesn't give me standing to comment on the propriety of some internal action taken by say the Italian government, and do so in a manner that implies I have a proper voice in their politics.

Surely that should seem clear to you.,

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@georgeob1,

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What other nations do can affect us as well. That however doesn't give me standing to comment on the propriety of some internal action taken by say the Italian government.

Do you think you have "standing to comment" on the propriety of some internal action taken by say the Syrian or Iranian or North Korean government, George?

Or is this more of a standard that you wish to see applied when foreigners comment on an internal action taken by the American government?

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@old europe,

Yes, but only to the extent is might pose a threat to me or my country.

I infer (but don't really know) that you're from the UK. I would hesitate to make such partisan comments in a conversation among British people about their internal affairs, and, in particular, do it with such judgmental and sel-important persistance and unmerited presumptions of authority as does the commentor in question. Does that make sense to you?

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@georgeob1,

Do you think that the internal affairs of the British government have the same repercussions for you, as an American citizen, as the internal affairs of the U.S. government have on, say, Canadian citizens?

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@old europe,

I think you are trying too hard to make a point. I wouldn't behave that way in a group of Canadians either (and if I did I expect they would resent it as well)

Would you?

Addendum: I see from another post that you're also into the politics of my state (California), so perhaps my presumptions are wrong. We did have a successful revolution agains you folks and we do want it to be permanent.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

Because I really like that about conspiracy theorists: One claim debunked?

I got your conspiracy right here, eh?

Answer the damn question:

Are you really standing by your false claim that proof of citizenship is required to vote in California?

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@georgeob1,

That's a very polite reply. It also completely evades the question.

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