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@tony5732,

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SOOOO many variables.

I'm afraid so.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Re bigotry - here's an interesting example:

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A 2015 Pew poll found that U.S. Muslims were more accepting of homosexuality than evangelical Christians, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses:
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When was the last time Christian through a homosexual off of a 10-story building?

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@giujohn,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V3YIIDgSkiA

No,, the Christian's handle things differently...

Cmon now, there is a difference in the level of extremism in ANY religion.

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This is propaganda but it is also really freaking crazy. From the NRA's "news" channel

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GRANT STINCHFIELD (HOST): The mainstream media’s assault against freedom and the Constitution has played out every night on the airwaves of America. The overwhelmingly biased attacks against Donald Trump are usually cloaked as real news, when in reality it’s a diversion from the important topics we need to be talking about, like save the Second Amendment. Megyn Kelly performed this sleight-of-hand magic trick last night while she was interviewing former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. She only wanted to talk about the sexual allegations leveled against Donald Trump, but the speaker fought back.

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Get that? If the media (even Fox for the love of god) does coverage of important issues that are effectively critical of Trump, then such media are guilty of an attack on liberty and the Constitution.

That's as close to an invitation to fascism as we're likely to read today.

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@blatham,

This is not about the settlements... Israel knows that there's disagreement on that subject between them and past Administrations. These things are supposed to be worked out between allies not taken to the security Council. You don't take your friends to the security Council and this is not 1980. This is now the 21st century with the rise of fanatical Islamic terrorism where these sub-human savages have gained a caliphate and are emboldened, thanks to that closet Muslim loving piece of **** Obama.

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@blatham,

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Sorry, I'm missing your point

Really?

Rev's post blamed Islamic terrorism on impoverished people being mislead by a few radicals who take advantage of their poverty. I said it's more an issue of radicals taking advantage of people's tendency to try and find God.

It does not take a genius to understand that people do not strap explosives to their children and send them off to blow themselves up because they are poor.

If rev is right, we should have dropped dollar bills out of airplanes instead of bombs. The stupid fucks in Washington can't even respond properly to their wrong idea of what the problem is.

Was that too many double negatives to follow?

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@tony5732,

There are crazy extremist people among all groups of people. I think they should have left the preacher alone.

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@Leadfoot,

I'll let rev respond but...

No, poverty is not itself causal but as I noted earlier, where you have poverty (and not temporary poverty but a long-term situation where hopelessness in bettering one's condition is broadly experienced) then you have the circumstances where violent extremism is much more certain to fester and be realized.

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The stupid fucks in Washington can't even respond properly to their wrong idea of what the problem is.

Which "Washington" are you speaking of? How far back do you see this problem stretching? Do you have ideas why?

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@reasoning logic,

Sure, and Christians were totally justified in the crusades and you can buy forgiveness for ALL of your sins if you have enough money and lighting people on fire because you think they are witches is perfectly acceptable. You could also just throw them off a cliff to see if they fly. That works too.

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This. Is. Not. Normal.

http://www168.lunapic.com/do-not-link-here-use-hosting-instead/148276531930729?9387451173

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@tony5732,

( THIS POST WAS SARCASM)

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@blatham,

Current distrust in the Democrats among conservatives.

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@blatham,

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Sorry, I'm missing your point

That is because he/she had no point in that particular post. Just an empty statement.

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@blatham,

I meant Washington DC of course and more specifically the WH.

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How far back do you see this problem stretching? Do you have ideas why?

Yes. As I've explained several times already, the problem is people's frustration in their search for God. It stretches back to the very first man.

The 'poverty' excuse does not hold water. I suspect the Boston bombers, the 9-11 crew and other relatively affluent terrorists in the US had things much better here than in their home countries. And they still did terrorist ****.

Osama was a rich guy from a nice family, what was his excuse?

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@revelette1,

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That is because he/she had no point in that particular post.

Then explain why people both rich and poor would send off their children to blow themselves up? If you can't come up with a plausible answer, it is you who have no point.

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@Leadfoot,

Most of those in Muslim countries have already found God as you put it, they come from families of Muslims who have been Muslims for generations. Religious rhetoric might be thrown in but it is not the driving force behind the recruits of Muslims joining ISIS. It is living in war torn countries for generations resulting in poverty. Take a look at some our US doctors who are from Muslim/Arab countries, they seem to be those who can afford to send their children to universities to become professionals. Others escape with their families to build lives in western countries which have nothing to do with terrorism. All of these peaceful Muslims also believe in Islam yet they are not radical extremist bent on murdering western influence. I am not saying there are not religious extremist, I am just saying the Muslim religion in itself is not the whole problem or even the main problem of Muslims joining extremist violent groups such as ISIS or AQ but living in war torn poverty or oppression. Understanding the cause does not mean we do not fight terrorism, but it helps to understand it, I would think.

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@Leadfoot,

Osama Bin Laden actually have grievances which he spelled out, not that it in any way excused his recruiting and plans and actions of terrorism, it does not. Look it up, but, from what I remember it was mostly western interference in Muslim/Arabic countries.

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@Leadfoot,

The rich had/has the same grievance, western influence which they believe causes war in their countries and their country to be poor and oppressed with puppet regimes. It is called empathy and solidarity with their fellow Muslims with whom they live. (not that I know, but I read quite a bit along these lines these last few years..) We associate ourselves as Americans, they seem to associate themselves as Muslim and then by particular sects. But it is not the religion itself which tells them to blow themselves up along with westerners even though they might carry it out in the name of Jihad. If the religion itself was the culprit then every single Muslim would be a terrorist as a matter of course and they are not.

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@giujohn,

Here wejust chain them up and haul them for miles behind a pickup truck ti they dir. Far more humane dont you think?

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@revelette1,

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If the religion itself was the culprit then every single Muslim would be a terrorist as a matter of course and they are not.

Prove it.

And using your deranged thought processes;
If guns themselves were the problem then every single person in the US would be dead as a matter of course and they are not.

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