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RABEL222
 
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Sun 25 Dec, 2016 10:55 pm
@tony5732,
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If we did, would it make any sense for us to carefully avoid the obvious strategic targets of Mosques? We always fought it as if we were fighting a small group of isolated fanatics and that the problem would go away if we cut off the snake's head.
My point is, It may not be a religious war to us, but it is to them.


This is the post I asked about. He includes all Muslims.
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Debra Law
 
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Sun 25 Dec, 2016 11:22 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

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all the God damn rioting now days.


Maybe you need to look up the definition of rioting and protesting.



Speaking of rioting and protesting, we refer to our country's first progressive activists as American patriots.

The Boston Tea Party (December 16, 1773) was an episode of civil disobedience.

And here's an interesting fact: "The Tea Party was prompted by a corporate bailout."

http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/ArtWeb/1BB0C8F894BB490B852577020083A6F6?OpenDocument
RABEL222
 
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Sun 25 Dec, 2016 11:31 pm
@Debra Law,
Thanks Deb. I knew some of that history but not all. Even in the 1773 there was corporate welfare? Who would have thought it?
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blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 05:18 am
@RABEL222,
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@Lash,
So our lady has finally reverted to her true beliefs. No longer even a Berniebot.
Huge surprise, that.
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blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 05:28 am
@georgeob1,
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However it is simply a fact that Muslim nationa, almost without exception, have long been far less tolerant of either unbelief or other religions than have Christian ones.

I'm not prepared to accept what you've said in this post because you provide no references and because I don't trust your data sources.
blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 05:30 am
@tony5732,
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These people believe it is the end times, at which point all muslims are required to kill all non believers/ corrupters of earth in order to please their God.

Could you provide a credible data source to verify this claim please.
blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 05:41 am
@tony5732,
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How many conservatives here decided to ignore liberal counterparts and not listen to anything they have to say anymore?

We've gone over that one. As I've noted earlier, folks on the right posting here are quite reluctant to put liberal voices on ignore because they (most/many) are here to contest liberal voices. We aren't kept visible as a matter of good manners or intellectual integrity but rather so that "bad" ideas aren't left free to roam about in the sunlight.

When I use the ignore function, it is because I've concluded that a particular individual is just not worth engaging because of stupidity or style of engagement.
blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 05:47 am
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The Quiet War on Medicaid
Progressives have already homed in on Republican efforts to privatize Medicare as one of the major domestic political battles of 2017. If Donald J. Trump decides to gut the basic guarantee of Medicare and revamp its structure so that it hurts older and sicker people, Democrats must and will push back hard. But if Democrats focus too much of their attention on Medicare, they may inadvertently assist the quieter war on Medicaid — one that could deny health benefits to millions of children, seniors, working families and people with disabilities.
LINK
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tony5732
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 05:52 am
@blatham,
Well it happened again..... different person same side.
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blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:03 am
I told you this one was coming
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Wielding Claims of ‘Fake News,’ Conservatives Take Aim at Mainstream Media

The C.I.A., the F.B.I. and the White House may all agree that Russia was behind the hacking that interfered with the election. But that was of no import to the website Breitbart News, which dismissed reports on the intelligence assessment as “left-wing fake news.”

Rush Limbaugh has diagnosed a more fundamental problem. “The fake news is the everyday news” in the mainstream media, he said on his radio show recently. “They just make it up.”

Some supporters of President-elect Donald J. Trump have also taken up the call. As reporters were walking out of a Trump rally this month in Orlando, Fla., a man heckled them with shouts of “Fake news!”
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Of course, "fake news" as a term refers to a specific new phenomenon where individuals or agencies purposefully place fake stories into media somewhere in order to 1) discredit someone/something or 2) to create a diversion through filling up the media space with noise or 3) to make money through clicks.

But anyone who has studied right wing media understands immediately that the term "fake news" would be morphed over by Breitbart or Limbaugh or Coulter or Hannity etc etc as a continuing means to derogate any media which isn't in their ideological camp.

The fundamental propaganda trick in here is to cast media as either/or. On one side, right wing media and on the other, left wing media. The notions of independence and objectivity MUST BE invalidated in order to isolate the right wing base in a closed-off learning/thinking environment. It is this propagandist thrust which has brought about the modern post-fact, post-science, post-truth phenomena we see broadly across the right now.
tony5732
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:15 am
@blatham,
My point here is the term bigot. Bigot is a term really loosely coined by liberals today for anyone who doesn't agree with them.

As I brought up before

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. - bigot.

I think that if liberals really want to get a better message across maybe a little less kettle calling and a little more listening. Even if it's just listening for the sake of arguing with a terrible point.
blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:17 am
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For years, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, a conservative, has played a double act, competing domestically with his right-wing rivals in backing the settlement project all over the occupied West Bank while professing support for a two-state solution with the Palestinians.

Now, with the stinging United Nations Security Council resolution on Friday condemning Israeli settlement construction as lacking any legal validity, Israeli politicians and analysts on the right, on the left and in the political center say Mr. Netanyahu’s game may soon be up.
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We'll see how this plays out but I'm not optimistic that Netanyahu will change his stripes. Regardless of what he's said in public, he has always considered the two state idea with derision and he has always pushed for as much territorial expansion as circumstances allowed him to get away with.
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A newly released video of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could add some additional strain to the sometimes tense relationship between him and President Obama.

In the video, which is from 2001, Netanyahu — who reportedly did not know his speech was being recorded — speaks frankly in Hebrew about relations with the Clinton White House and the peace process.

As noted in Haaretz, Netanyahu seems to boast of his knowledge of the US by saying, “I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in their way.”

He also boasts of manipulating the U.S. in the ongoing peace process,
LINK
There's an internal link to Ha'artez that ought to be read as well for an Israeli take on what this guy is up to. And the referenced video is available on youtube
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blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:23 am
@tony5732,
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a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. - bigot.

That is an incomplete and insufficient definition.
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The English noun bigot is a term used to describe a prejudiced or closed-minded person, especially one who is intolerant or hostile towards different social groups (e.g. racial or religious groups), and especially one whose own beliefs are perceived as unreasonable or excessively narrow-minded, superstitious, or hypocritical.[1]
wikipedia

To use the term "bigot" or "bigotry" is not by itself an example of bigotry. White supremacists are bigots. Racists of any sort are bigots. Anti-Catholics of the evangelical sort who describe the Pope as the Whore of Babylon are bigots. Etc.
blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:30 am
@tony5732,
Here's an example of bigotry
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So the liberal-leaning Public Policy Polling outfit posed a revealing question to Mississippi Republicans in their latest survey: "Do you think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal?"

Shockingly, 46 percent of the state's GOP voters replied "illegal." 14 percent bizarrely responded "not sure." That means about 60 percent of these Southern Republicans are hearkening back to a time--1958 to be exact--when the American mainstream overwhelmingly looked down on people with different shades of skin getting married.
LINK

Obviously, not all Mississippi Republicans are racial bigots but the proportion is high enough such that we can properly state that there is a lot of bigotry on the right in Mississippi.
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tony5732
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:37 am
@blatham,
The only way one would fall victim to this right wing propaganda, or left wing propaganda, is to only look at one source of information. The cool thing about the Internet is there are hundreds of different sources of information right in front of you.

One can for example, look at BOTH sides and see which opinion is backed up by actual data.

tony5732
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:45 am
@blatham,
No no, the use of the term bigot does not make one a bigot. Being prejudiced or CLOSED minded makes one a bigot. Like ignoring someone just because they don't agree with you, or assuming someone is a bigot just because they don't agree with you.

I know Wikipedia has a lot of EXPECIALLY words that seem to almost redefine a definition, but the concept is the same.
blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:52 am
@tony5732,
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One can for example, look at BOTH sides and see which opinion is backed up by actual data.

Notice, please, how you've just framed your statement - "both sides". You've just done precisely what I had described. I'm not surprised at all because this is the most fundamental idea promoted in right wing media for decades.

It's fine and proper to say that people ought to be skeptical of what they read and that they ought to search for credible voices and data. But what I've been pointing to is that credible data/opinion sources are commonly determined by the reader according to source. Getting past such a simplistic means of determining what is credible requires a decent education and the development of some critical thinking skills.

One fairly dependable way to help figure out if what we are reading/listening to is marked by intellectual integrity is open reference to source data or lack of that. Assertions don't stand on their own.
Frugal1
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:53 am
@tony5732,
Yeah, we've been pointing that out for 10 years.
Libtards force you to separate people into groups, and force you to qualify your comments in an effort to tell you what to think and how to express your thoughts. I say f*ck the the libtards - do not comply with libtards, it's a trap.
blatham
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:57 am
@tony5732,
wikipedia is not redefining the term. As a valuable exercise, find a half dozen high quality dictionary sources and read through them re this term. And, if you don't have one at home, purchase a good dictionary like Oxford or American Heritage or World Book and make it your friend.

Yes, closed-mindedness is a key meaning of the term but it is insufficient on its own as you'll see if you do that exercise.

"ignoring someone just because they don't agree with you" If that is the only reason another is being ignored, that would be an example of close-mindedness. But bigotry wouldn't be the word to use here in many cases. You like hockey best and another likes football best and he talks on and on about football and you end up ignoring him. That's not bigotry.
tony5732
 
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Mon 26 Dec, 2016 07:00 am
@Frugal1,
I know. The left tries to screw up that message. When Trump is saying "radical Islamic terrorists" he is separating Muslims from radical Islamic terrorist Muslims. Its a good thing, but the left propaganda tries to make him sound intolerant by saying that.

To be fair, nobody wants to use terms like "radical Christian terrorists" when terrorism is done for the same reason by Christian extremists. I don't really understand that either.
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