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snood
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 12:49 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Kinda strange that you claim to be familiar with "hundreds" of eyewitness accounts, but can't cite even one, eh, Snooty?

What's up with that?

Okay. You show proof of any video showing counter protesters attacking the car, and I'll produce at least one eye witness of the car running over people. Deal? Since everyone watching tv these days has seen an eyewitness interviewed already, my task is going to be easy. All you have to do is find your (made up, non-existent) video of the car being attacked, and we're in business. C'mon! Eh? Sho-nuff!!?

Or you could just admit you lied...
But homey don't play DAT.
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snood
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 12:53 pm
Quote:
If I ever get around to it, I'll find the video again and probably post it, but NOT for your benefit, or his.

Yeah, sure. We can look for this video around the same time we get Trump's proof from Hawaii that Obama's a Kenyan.
Forked tongue poser.
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revelette1
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 12:55 pm
@snood,
Quote:
I understand the concept of giving credit when credit is due. But the bar is so ******* low for this bunch of cretins. So Trump gets dragged and screaming after three days to actually verbalize "white supremacist", and he's checked the box? Sessions - the goddamned chief law enforcement person for the country - calls the murder of a woman by a NAZI on national tv "terrorism", and what? He's met the requirement for a concerned, engaged attorney general? Really?


I noticed the singling out of Nazi as opposed to all the rest the "unite the right" are against as well.

I agree also on Sessions about two weeks ago I left a ton of things of the man has done or is in the process of doing which is setting any strides in progress in civil justice back by years. I am just glad the Justice department is looking into the act as terrorism regardless of how they phrase it or how late the president came in denouncing white supremacy groups.
Cycloptichorn
 
  9  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 12:56 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
But you still can't prove you saw any video about counter protesters attacking the car, now can you?


I have no need, and certainly no desire, to "prove" a god-damned thing to you, Snooty.

I started out assuming that your new homey, who I hadn't encountered before, was sincere.

He has proved otherwise. If I ever get around to it, I'll find the video again and probably post it, but NOT for your benefit, or his.



You won't do anything of the sort and we both know it. I guess I proved 'insincere' in your mind by pointing out that you're full of ****, and that you're lying about seeing a video? Like I said: prove me wrong! The effort involved is trivial. You've spent more time posting other stuff since I asked, than it would have taken you to locate the video and shut me up.

As for the video of the event, right here pal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0guSatguSk

Note that at :03 he launches people ONTO the roof of the car with the black convertible top; what more, there's a person laying on his own hood who rolls off to the right before he decides to back up. What more, there's nobody between the car he hits and the one in front of it, and the force that the third car (a red van) is struck with isn't enough to launch people flying the way that the pictures showed happened.

Here's a drone video showing that the van wasn't moving fast enough to have launched anyone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4MKwzPYrbk

I guess you think those people all just jumped or something?

The idea that the driver 'didn't personally hit someone' is ******* stupid and contradicted by ALL available pieces of evidence. What could possibly be your motivation for pushing this argument? I still haven't heard from you why you're doing so. Is it reflex?

See - THAT'S how you respond to a request for evidence for your argument. No bullshitting or posturing, just a link.

Cycloptichorn
layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Yeah, that makes it at least superficially seem like he hit people, but where did they come from? For all that video shows, they could have been sitting on the trunk of the car he hit.

If they were standing behind the car he hit, you would think they be squashed between them, not thrown over the top.

I cited the NYT times article, saying they could be wrong, and they could be. But that video, standing alone, doesn't show the car hitting anybody.
snood
 
  7  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:14 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
I am just glad the Justice department is looking into the act as terrorism regardless of how they phrase it or how late the president came in denouncing white supremacy groups.


The words matter. The timing matters. It's not 'all the same' no matter how it's said, or when it's said. Do you think we have the right to want better from the president and attorney general?
layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
. What could possibly be your motivation for pushing this argument? I still haven't heard from you why you're doing so.


Then you haven't listened.
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snood
 
  9  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:19 pm
layman wrote:

Maybe I forgot to say it, I don't rightly recall now:

**** you.

You mad, homey? I sure hope so! Smile

Oh, and by the way... here's an eyewitness interview for your busted ass.


Here's another with a couple eyewitnesses, starting at about 2:40:


And one more, just for you. Sho nuff.



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Cycloptichorn
 
  8  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:20 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Yeah, that makes it at least superficially seem like he hit people, but where did they come from? For all that video shows, they could have been sitting on the trunk of the car he hit.


Are you... are you serious?

Quote:
If they were standing behind the car he hit, you would think they be squashed between them, not thrown over the top.


I wouldn't personally think that, because that's not what happens when a car hits a person at speed. The center of gravity of a standing person is too high for the person to simply stick to the front of the car in almost all instances.

Quote:
I cited the NYT times article, saying they could be wrong, and they could be. But that video, standing alone, doesn't show the car hitting anybody.


It does, in the first few seconds of the video. It shows exactly that. The guy comes thundering in, hits people and they go flying, literally. Why not just admit that you're wrong at this point?

Also - what's your motivation for defending the guy here? You still won't say. I AM listening, and what more, asking you directly. It shouldn't be hard for you to write a single sentence or two - unless, that is, the truth is embarrassing or somehow something that you don't want to write. Right?

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:32 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
. I guess I proved 'insincere' in your mind by pointing out that you're full of ****, and that you're lying about seeing a video.


Heh, ya chump.

You already demonstrated that your standard of the amount of evidence needed to "prove" something is something like "Well, that's what I think, so there's your proof, right there."


More accurate to say that I posted pictures and not one, but two videos showing that my account actually is what occurred. So, we have:

- Photographic evidence that you cannot possibly deny
- Video evidence that directly confirms that photographic evidence, from multiple angles
- eye-witness accounts of what has happened (thanks Snood)

And you have... what?

Quote:
You cant bluff a guy holding a straight flush into folding by saying "I won," sorry.

Nice try, blowhard.


I mean, this is the internet. You could be claiming the sky is actually red and just go around saying 'I won, I won, haha chump' over and over again. Nobody can stop you from doing so. But, I can't imagine you actually think anyone is convinced, and I can't imagine you find it satisfying to have to resort to things like that.

I think at this point you're just trolling. I've asked you over and over to write out your motivation for your argument here and you simply won't do so. Even other right-wing and Conservative forums and blogs I read daily rightly condemn the driver and hope he's prosecuted; what you're doing is beyond even them, and is simply indefensible and incredible, not to mention unconvincing.

Cycloptichorn
ehBeth
 
  5  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:32 pm
truly LOL'd at this

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pence-us-determined-to-see-democracy-restored-in-venezuela/article/2631446

Quote:
"The United States is going to continue to send a message of resolve and determination," Pence said, reiterating that the U.S. has "many options with regard to Venezuela to ultimately make it possible for the people of Venezuela to see their democracy restored."


sheesh

if democracy was such a great thing, you'd think they want it for America First !!!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:34 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
The guy comes thundering in, hits people and they go flying, literally.


Where, exactly, does it show the car "hitting people." I don't see that, and neither do you. That's an inference, no more at this point.


There's no inference at all. The driver hits people at :03 in the video I linked and they literally go flying over the car in front and onto the roof, as well as to the sides of the car doing the ramming. Watch the video again.

Quote:
It does show people rolling over the top of a car, I'll give you that, but there's more than one possible explanation for that.


Credible explanation? Likely to have occurred? Backed up by any sort of documented evidence? No, there isn't. Your postulation that the driver 'didn't hit anyone personally, he only hit cars which then hit other people' has been disproven at this point. You admit that, right?

Quote:
Got any videos which shows the car actually hitting people, eh?


Other than the ones I linked you?

Cycloptichorn
snood
 
  8  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:38 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Also - what's your motivation for defending the guy here? You still won't say. I AM listening, and what more, asking you directly. It shouldn't be hard for you to write a single sentence or two - unless, that is, the truth is embarrassing or somehow something that you don't want to write. Right?


This guy would make a great case study. Fake black avatar, fake black vernacular, trying so hard, full of drama... Fascinating.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  8  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:39 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
I wouldn't personally think that, because that's not what happens when a car hits a person at speed. The center of gravity of a standing person is too high for the person to simply stick to the front of the car in almost all instances.


Yeah, right, eh? Stand a guy up against a 6 foot brick wall, then run a car into him, and show me him going over the wall, eh?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDOIqSKwKMU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhP-Z6PZfTo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekpTWqLoxCA

Watch the second one in particular. This is what happens when you hit someone at speed with anything but a pretty big truck. Note that in the second video the driver was almost certainly hitting his brakes and shedding speed when he hits the guy, whereas the assclown in this instance was accelerating into the person.

Look at :29 on the second video, then look at the original picture I linked you; notice anything similar? Both cars hit people hard enough to knock them upside down.

Cycloptichorn
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snood
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:42 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
I think at this point you're just trolling.


You can "think" anything you want. And since this is the internet, you can even positively state a lie as a fact, and not even run the risk of getting your sorry ass curbstomped as a result.

You're very fortunate.


Another step down. Threats of violence. You're really slipping, homey. And you ain't gonna bust a grape.
layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:43 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Credible explanation? Likely to have occurred? Backed up by any sort of documented evidence? No, there isn't. Your postulation that the driver 'didn't hit anyone personally, he only hit cars which then hit other people' has been disproven at this point. You admit that, right?


I don't claim accused people to have been "proven" guilty based on one, small, inconclusive sliver of evidence. I'm sure there are probably plenty of videos, from many different angles, and that they will eventually all come out--at his trial, if nowhere else. Based on ALL the evidence, he will either be found guilty or not (or perhaps mistried).
 

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