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blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 06:14 am
Linda Greenhouse was the Supreme Court reporter at the NY Times for nearly 30 years. Since retiring, she now writes occasional columns there. She is highly respected as a legal scholar has won numerous awards including the Pulitzer. When she ended her regular reporting, seven of the SC Justices attended a party for her.

If you are going to read anything today, read this.
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The white (almost all) men (almost all) sitting around the table will look like their predecessors, generations of them. But they won’t be the same as their predecessors, not at all. They will have been placed in their positions and handed the reins of power not to govern, but to destroy.

It’s not only Rick Perry, the former Texas governor whom President-elect Donald J. Trump has named to head the Department of Energy. Mr. Perry so disdained that department when he was running for the Republican presidential nomination in 2011 that he blanked on its name when listing the federal agencies he wanted to abolish. It’s also Scott Pruitt, the Oklahoma state attorney general, who has devoted his adult life to fighting environmental regulation in partnership with his financial backers in the oil industry, named to head the Environmental Protection Agency.

It’s Tom Price, the congressman-doctor from Georgia who doesn’t believe the federal government has an affirmative role to play in health care, named as secretary of health and human services. Or another congressman, Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina, a founder of the House Republicans’ Freedom Caucus who would rather shut down the government than pass a budget, named to be the White House budget director. It’s Wilbur Ross, named to head the Commerce Department after having made a fortune as an investor, buying and dismantling distressed industrial corporations. (Explain that to the voters who believed a Trump presidency would save their factory jobs.)
Much More Here
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blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:03 am
Well finally! After filling his cabinet and advisory positions with ordinary working people, Trump at last adds the voice of a billionaire to his team. Better late than never, I suppose.
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Donald Trump’s transition team announced Wednesday that billionaire investor Carl Icahn would serve as a special advisor to the President-elect on issues relating to regulatory reform.
Trump the Populist
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blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:09 am
WTF?
On wednesday, Trump is asked some questions about the terror attack in Berlin.
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One of those questions related to a statement that Trump released after the attack, which read, in part, “Innocent civilians were murdered in the streets as they prepared to celebrate the Christmas holiday. ISIS and other Islamic terrorists continuously slaughter Christians in their communities and places of worship as part of their global jihad.”

But when asked specifically about that statement, Trump seemed confused, asking the reporter “Who said that? When did—when was that said?” Then, when told that he was the one who said it, in a statement, Trump seemed to edit the remark, saying “It’s an attack on humanity. That’s what it is. It’s an attack on humanity and it has to be stopped.”
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tony5732
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:20 am
@blatham,
"While you or I are not responsible for our attraction to the other gender, we are for how we behave as a result of that preference".

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying. That's why I believe it should be OK for someone running a business to not be OK with a homosexual marriage.

"And we really should note here that same-gender sexuality is seen frequently across the animal kingdom and certainly in mammals. It is a natural phenomenon."


I understand this, and understand that there is nothing wrong with two consenting adults acting upon homosexual urges. I am saying that not everyone else should be forced to be on board with it through government intervention.
blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:24 am
Further on that last post re Trump's initial tweet/statement on the attack in Berlin, let's note that the framing of it (an attack on Christians) was clearly intended to further the framing of a religious war, hatred towards Muslims and to pump up notions among his supporters that Christians are being victimized (that is, to play the game of identity politics).

Germany is a particularly religious nation. The people who were on the streets were of all ethnicities and faiths or without faith. They were people out shopping. By conflating the christmas season with Christians was the propaganda device used.
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blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:29 am
@tony5732,
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Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying. That's why I believe it should be OK for someone running a business to not be OK with a homosexual marriage.

Of course. Anyone can think as they like. But that is not to say that a business can refuse service to a person because they are black or Jewish or gay. Two different issues.
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I understand this, and understand that there is nothing wrong with two consenting adults acting upon homosexual urges. I am saying that not everyone else should be forced to be on board with it through government intervention.

No one is being forced to "be on board" by government in the example with serving gays than they are when disallowed to treat Jews or blacks prejudicially.
tony5732
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:39 am
@blatham,
"Of course. Anyone can think as they like. But that is not to say that a business can refuse service to a person because they are black or Jewish or gay. Two different issues"

I think this is one of our fundamental differences... I think a person's business is their business. They put blood, sweat, tears, and a whole lot of money into owning that business. That business is not Uncle Sam's baby, and uncle Sam shouldn't be running it.

"No one is being forced to "be on board" by government in the example with serving gays than they are when disallowed to treat Jews or blacks prejudicially."

Well they are being told to act accordingly or be sued, I don't know what else you would call that. I also stated many times race isn't the issue.
blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:42 am
@tony5732,
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I think this is one of our fundamental differences... I think a person's business is their business. They put blood, sweat, tears, and a whole lot of money into owning that business. That business is not Uncle Sam's baby, and uncle Sam shouldn't be running it.

Then you immediately open the door to any commercial enterprise banning Jews. Or Christians. Or Catholics. Or midgets. Or fat people. Or blonde and blue-eyed people. Or women. Or men. And with certainty, black people.

PS - and let's add that the government places regulations and restrictions on commercial enterprises in many spheres and quite properly so.
blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:59 am
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Despite some post-election gains, Trump likely will take office with a lower approval, and higher disapproval, rating than any of those predecessors. In recent Gallup and NBC/Wall Street Journal surveys, only about half of Americans gave him positive marks for his transition, far lower than the share for previous presidents. In Gallup’s polling for Obama, George W. Bush, and Clinton, voters gave them initial job-approval ratings that were, on average, eight points lower than the ratings for their transition; if anything near that precedent holds, Trump will become the first modern president to start with less-than-majority public approval.
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tony5732
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:59 am
@blatham,
Well no, there are people with differences they were born with, like race, gender, disabilities, etc. They need protection. These are visible differences where people can simply look at them and make judgment.

There are people with differences, (literally everyone) that are in their brain. They can't be seen just by glancing at them. They have the privilege of walking around just like everyone else and not being judged solely on what they look like. They don't need protection.
blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:08 am
@tony5732,
So it is ok for a commercial enterprise to ban Jews? Or Muslims? Or Christians? Or atheists? Or Darwinians? Or philosophy students?
Frugal1
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:24 am
@blatham,
ISIS, ISIL, HAMAS, BLM, etc... are commercial enterprises, and I'm guessing your cool with them banning Jews, Christians, Caucasians, Atheists, Darwinians, philosophy students, and Gays - right?
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georgeob1
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:35 am
@blatham,
I believe the answer here involves two conflicting principles and an intelligent synthesis that balances them and preserves infividual freedoms, both to shop where you want and to provide the services you choose in a store you operate. There is also an overarching issue here as well, and that involves the degree to which we want our government involved in the enforcement of social norms. Though it has become often hard to see through all the sound and fury, there is a lot of silly trivia out there in this area. Not every issue requires government intervention and very often ithe side effects of such intervention do more harm than the issue itself. The Biblical story of Soloman and the women disputing over posession of a baby comes to mind.

blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:47 am
@georgeob1,
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I believe the answer here involves two conflicting principles
Yes.
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There is also an overarching issue here as well, and that involves the degree to which we want our government involved in the enforcement of social norms.

No. It isn't a matter of enforcing norms. It is a matter of enforcing bans on discrimination.

In California, up until 1970 or so, marriage between a white and a black was illegal.
georgeob1
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:50 am
@blatham,
You contradict yourself. The law can act for good or evil, as you illustrated. Restraint on the power of government is a nesessary element of a meaningful solution.

Discrimination is a badly misued word. We discriminate between choices, options, ideas and possible actions all day every day. Empowering government to "ban discrimination" empowers it to do anything. Indeed our governmnent is one of the chief discriminators in our society. I determines an increasing number of issues, discriminating among people, claimants, taxpayers and myriad other things - often as a direct result of laws and rules designed to limit so called "discrimination".

Indeed the real issue here is who gets to do the discriminating. For those who want an ant jhill society the government may well be a good choice. Let them go to an anthill.

We need far less of the PC group values that have so screwed up our society and far more treatment of peope as individuals by our government
blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:53 am
Is anyone on earth surprised by any of this?
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Corey Lewandowski, Donald Trump’s first campaign manager, brokered the meeting between Mexican telecom billionaire Carlos Slim and the president-elect last weekend, Lewandowski’s business partner said Wednesday.

Barry Bennett, who on Wednesday unveiled a new lobbying firm with Lewandowski, confirmed to POLITICO that Lewandowski traveled to Mexico City this month to meet with Slim and that he arranged the subsequent sitdown with Trump.

The meeting between Trump and Slim — over dinner this past Saturday at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida — occurred about 10 days after Lewandowski’s visit with Slim.

The revelation that Lewandowski brokered the meeting — coming hours after he and Bennett unveiled their lobbying firm — could undermine Trump’s campaign pledge to “drain the swamp” by reducing the power of lobbyists and special interests in Washington.

It also raises the specter that Lewandowski and Bennett, who was an informal senior adviser to Trump’s campaign, could take advantage of their relationship with Trump as they pursue their own outside business interests.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/lewandowski-trump-carlos-slim-232905
catbeasy
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:59 am
@tony5732,
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So what about pedophiles

Why are you discussing pedophiles? This is a terrible example. The definition of a pedophile involves assault. Children cannot consent by our own societal definition of their age. This is a nasty and illogical trope brought along by a desire to put homosexuality in the same boat as pedophilia and have heard this in relation to bestiality as well. You might as well say: what about rape? We can and do censure certain activities we deem bad and we ought to remove people from society that engage in them. But because such a thing is so very drastic and damaging, WE have to provide the justification behind the authority to do so. Do you not see the difference between pedophilia and a homosexual act between two consenting adults?

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be the same as not holding someone personally responsible for being a pedophile

This is nonsensical. Substitute the comment thus:
"be the same as not holding someone personally responsible for being a heterosexual".

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We should push for a tolerant society, one where you are encouraged to walk grandma down the street. However, the concepts and ideals should be freely encouraged by people like you, through example and free speech, not forced by government and enforced by law suits.

As much as this is possible, I agree. However, there are people historically that have been subjected to abuse by the rest of society. These people need protections because of it. A black person couldn't just "go to college". The damn national guard had to be called in to ensure safety. Women couldn't vote, they had to fight for that right and ultimately had to be given sanction to do so.

A agree that this idea of protections should not be taken lightly. You have to be the one to ultimately decide if a group has been sufficiently singled out for discrimination to require intervention. You have to ask yourself why one and not the other.



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catbeasy
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 09:01 am
@giujohn,
Ha! Touche..
georgeob1
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 09:02 am
@blatham,
Gasp !! It almost sounds Clintonesque. Perhaps we have a new Sydney Bloomenthal !

Possibly they were discussing the construction and financing of a wall
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blatham
 
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Thu 22 Dec, 2016 09:04 am
@georgeob1,
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You contradict yourself. The law can act for good or evil, as you illustrated. Restraint on the power of government is a nesessary element of a meaningful solution.

That's a meaningless statement. Of course laws can prove negative or positive. That gets you nowhere at all.

Miscegenation laws were broadly bolstered or justified by appeals to scripture. Obviously, they were bad laws for reasons now obvious to most of us (though in some southern states, a surprisingly high percentage of Republicans still believe interracial marriage ought to be illegal). Subsequent or contemporary laws were put in place to outlaw discrimination against blacks (or interracial couples). Government laws aren't the frigging problem. Stupid prejudices are.
 

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