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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 11:11 am
@layman,


How Trump could replace Jeff Sessions in a recess appointment, and how Republicans can prevent that
layman
 
  -4  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 11:13 am
@oristarA,
Quote:
The signs of the president’s unraveling are stark, and they are contributing to his inability to govern: his failure to guard against hacking of our elections and related threats to national security, his decimation of the State Department and other vital government agencies, his irrational, unilateral withdrawal from the world’s commitment to prevent catastrophic climate change, his intemperate exploitation of the presidency to enrich himself and his family, his unremitting threats against a free press, his vitriolic verbal assaults against anyone (especially any woman) who questions his actions or state of mind, and his imposition of false narratives whenever the truth casts him in a bad light.


Kinda funny that this laundry list of "evidence" of insanity simply reduce to the democratic talking points about his political policies.

What the hell do allegations like the following even mean, and where's the "insanity?":

"his failure to guard against hacking of our elections"

"his decimation of the State Department and other vital government agencies."

"his irrational, unilateral withdrawal from the world’s commitment to prevent catastrophic climate change."

These quacks should give up the quacking business and run for political office, eh?

Nothing new for the left, which has always maintained that anyone who doesn't agree with the political positions is utterly insane.
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ehBeth
 
  5  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 11:35 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
you have to mention Clinton in any discussion taking Trump to task,


it's an actual directive

I've found it on a couple of Trump-supporter sites (some specify whether it is Bill or Hillary that is supposed to be used as the distractor)
ehBeth
 
  4  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 11:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
from your link

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Checks and balances can be a bother.


Cool
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maporsche
 
  6  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 12:07 pm
The Head of the Boy Scouts Just Apologized After Trump's National Jamboree Speech

http://time.com/4876705/donald-trump-boy-scout-jamboree-speech/


Trump...breaking norms the world over.
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snood
 
  4  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 12:13 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
breaking norms the world over

He's a real trailblazer alright
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ehBeth
 
  5  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 12:14 pm
reading on the right

the newsmax take

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-surprise-transgender-order/2017/07/26/id/804008/

Quote:
Trump's Surprise Military Transgender Order Upends Right and Left


http://www.newsmax.com/NealUrwitz/fake-news-twitter-trump-crisis-communications/2017/07/25/id/803730/

Quote:
Trump Complaining About 'Fake News' a Snowflake Move



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kind of hard to square the circle of what's happening at newsmax and similar sites
ehBeth
 
  9  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 12:17 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
you guys


I'm not part of any "you guys".

I'm not a Clinton or Trump or Bush or Obama supporter. All of them are too far to the right for me.

I'm a student of global media and long-time political observer across a number of countries and continents.

I'm me, not "you guys".
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maporsche
 
  6  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 12:19 pm
@ehBeth,
This is interesting. I've never visited Newsmax before. I might more often, just for a different point of view.

I found their article list under "The Trump Presidency" interesting. I don't know that I see anything positive for Trump on this list.

It would be something to keep track of this over time.

Lindsey Graham: 'There Will Be Holy Hell' If Trump Fires Sessions
Rove: Attacks on Sessions Could Destroy Trump Presidency
Is 'DWTS' Eyeing Spicer for Show?
Trump Prods Senate on Healthcare Again
Trump Touts 'Failing' NYT in Praise of 'Fox & Friends '
WashPost: Trump Mulls Recess Appointment If Sessions Out
Trump's Transgender Order Upends Right and Left
Governors Urge Bipartisan Work on Healthcare
DOJ Says Ex-Manafort Associate Is Linked to Russian Mob
Pence Praises Trump's 'Candor' on Sessions
Ken Starr: Trump Needs to Lay Off Sessions
Blunt Slams Trump for Transgender Ban Tweets
Schumer Slams 'Skinny Repeal': 20% Hikes, 16M Uninsured
Kristol: Trump Views Presidency as Dictatorship
Krauthammer: Trump's Transgender Ban 'Bizarre'
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 12:41 pm
@maporsche,
I've been following newsmax about a dozen years. What I've found really interesting is cross-referencing newsmax and gopusa. They used to be almost clone sites in news/opinion. They've diverged quite a bit recently.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 01:29 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

I lost any respect I had for Sessions, not a fan to start with as he is part of the old school GOP establishment, when he talked about stepped up enforcement on marijuana against states who have legalized it, as well as his continued and stepped up support for civil asset forfeiture and his claim "It's a good tool to fight the war on drugs."
I haven't commented much on what has been going on inside the govt, but I'm ready for Sessions to go and it has nothing to do with the Russia nothing-burger.


Sessions would never have been my choice for AG and I've never been a big fan of his either, but Trump picked him.

Like I wrote, if he now wants to get rid of him that's perfectly fine, and it would be if he had selected someone I really liked, but this game he's playing is not fine. Obviously it doesn't mean he should be impeached for it, or that I will withdraw my support for everything he does, but IMO he's being an ass here just as he was when he went after the Muslim, Clinton supporter who spoke at the Dem Convention, or when he called Comey a "nut job" in his meeting with the Russians or when he gave a speech to the Boy Scouts that was the same as the ones he gives at rallies of his supporters, or when he criticizes, in a public forum, any of the people who work for him.

It's one thing for a boss to read an employee the riot act in private (if you do it more than once however you either should have already fired the person or you can't control your temper) but public criticism is humiliating and that sure as hell isn't the way to foster the loyalty he says is so important to him. There's a big difference between loyalty and slavish obedience, and I'm not sure Trump gets that.

I certainly can understand the reluctance of Trump supporters to criticize the man in a pool of Trump hating sharks like this forum, and if someone wants to refrain from it, that's fine with me, but I owe no personal loyalty to the guy and he's not my Fearless Leader. My joining the chorus on some area of criticism of Trump sure as hell doesn't fuel the Resistance, and it wasn't going to peter out here without my giving it a booster shot. It also doesn't mean that everything else he has done or is doing is needs to be reexamined. He can be an ass on one thing and right on others.

I realize that you are not questioning my criticism of Trump, but I'm taking this opportunity to expound.

A couple of months ago I posted on FB that Trump was starting to wear thin and wear me out. My nephew, who is a Trumper (as I've defined the term) took issue with me, not because he adores Trump and thinks him flawless (far from it) but because he thinks such criticism is akin to aiding and abetting the enemy. I get where he comes from as I loathe the Resistance almost as much as he does, but I'm not willing to view this whole thing in the way he does. I do think we are engaged in something like a Cold Civil War in this country and there is a very serious battle going on over the future of America involving two distinct sides, neither of which has much use for the vision of the other, nor is very willing at all to assume the other side is operating in good faith and with positive intent. We are also witnessing an attempted soft coup in which there is a concerted effort being made to render null and void the result of a fair and honest election through political and legal machinations. Nevertheless, the "Cold Civil War" is, at least to me, merely a metaphor, and even in an actual hot war, I don't think leaders should be above criticism.

(Thanks for your indulgence)
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lmur
 
  6  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 01:52 pm
Fake, but funny...
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/jeff-sessions-urges-melania-to-work-harder-on-campaign-to-stop-cyberbullying
revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 02:17 pm
@lmur,
Laughing
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 02:41 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Since you're so bright, no doubt you can figure out which orifice in which to stick your writing suggestions, so I won't suggest one.


Gee, now you're reverting back to form. That's too bad. I had high hopes you might be mellowing.

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I've seen pols who didn't vote for Sessions say that he's been loyal to Trump's agenda, and I've seen "MSM" talking heads saying that Sessions is getting a raw deal, but if anyone is suddenly switching their narrative to say that he's "decent" - I haven't seen that. He has been very determined to bring about the right wing vision of voter suppression, Muslim discrimination, oppressive and unrealistic drug enforcement and weakening police oversight, and that's all I mean when I say he's been loyal.


Again, I certainly didn't take your comment to mean you've suddenly become a fan of Sessions...no need to go all bold. I don't know how more clearly I could have expressed that. You haven't seen or read anyone doing a switch on Sessions, fine, but I have.

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False equivalence. Any list to compare with Trump's garbage would be dwarfed. But you have to mention Clinton in any discussion taking Trump to task, because for some reason you just cannot acknowledge what this man clearly is. Trump is already internationally known as the most corrupt, incompetent disgrace of a man to occupy the white house.


Yeah yeah, we know what you think about Trump and how it drives you insane that there are people who don't agree with you. Are you ever going to get over it or just keep stamping your feet and insisting we all bend to the view of snood? I don't have to mention "Clinton" ever, but I did because I am pretty damned certain that you didn't withdraw your support for him when he was raping women and taking campaign donations from the Chinese. I could just as easily have brought up LBJ and his despicable behavior or FDR and his internment of thousands of Japanese American citizens or the racist Woodrow Wilson and his being the closest thing to a dictator this nation has ever had, but of course you weren't alive when FDR and Wilson were in the White House and I'm not familiar with the level of your appreciation for LBJ.

(BTW - Neither I nor anyone on the right here accepts the absurd restriction you and your confreres seem to want to impose upon us relative to ever referencing Bill Clinton. I could be wrong, but somehow I really doubt that if are all so fortunate enough to be around after the Trump years, we will never see mention made of Trump by an A2K left-winger)

The point is that someone (oralloy or laymen for sure) if they cared to, could come up with a thorough list of all of the transgressions of any Democrat president and Democrats would challenge them and not change their opinions of the men, so what does your list prove other than you really hate Trump and his supporters which we all know and are more than willing to stipulate to for future reference so you don't have to keep repeating yourself.


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False equivalence. The denial Trump supporters are practicing is unlike anything we've seen before.
No offense but your opinion in any discussion about the shortcomings of Trump is pretty worthless. You simply refuse to see the dangerous recklessness and ethical wretchedness of the man. If they are successful in bringing him or any of his crew to justice, you will then promptly set about minimizing the offenses and denying that justice has been done.


Perhaps anything you've seen before, but I remember so-called feminists who would have called for the head of a Republican president who behaved towards women the way Clinton did, set their principles to the side and rally around them.

No offense but your opinion in any discussion about the shortcomings of Trump is pretty worthless.

And you don't know what your talking about when it comes to your allegations against me. I've criticized Trump before this matter with Sessions and I will do so again in the future if I see fit. You also can't predict how I will react to the findings of the various investigation. I've stated in the past that if Mueller comes up with legitimate findings, I'll be all for levying appropriate consequences upon whomever is found guilty in a court of law. No doubt your think this is an unacceptable response that leaves me wiggle room, but if so, in a word...tough. I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of the people who insisted that Trump should declare that he would accept the results of the election before it was actually held. That's ridiculous. As unlikely as it may have been that the Democrats would rig the election (obviously they didn't) there was nothing wrong with saying "I think I'll wait and see."

I can just as easily predict that if Mueller comes back with no finding you will be on your soapbox declaring the fix was in from the start, because you are that confident that he will find something.

I don't expect Mueller's investigation to result in phony charges and I certainly don't expect that if it did, a US court would operate as a Kangaroo Court and ram them through, but I won't know that for certain until after the process is concluded. This is a 21st Century, American Game of Thrones and I don't put anything past anyone involved.

I'll say this though, even though some make an argument that collusion is not a crime, if Mueller finds irrefutable evidence that Trump was involved with or approved of collusion with the Russians to influence the election (and I don't mean accepting opposition research offered to them) I will join the chorus of those calling for Trump to leave or be thrown out of office.

I hardly expect this to satisfy you, but your satisfaction is not my goal, however you're more than welcome to somehow bookmark it so that you can raise it if and when Mueller proves collusion involving or approved by Trump and I don't call for his removal from office.
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snood
 
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Thu 27 Jul, 2017 03:12 pm
I just hope this messed up president and administration can muster an effective response when a real crisis occurs. They have been real busy with self-imposed crises, stumbling over themselves and practicing their circular firing squad. I hope they have enough of a unified structure to function - to govern and defend us.
ossobucotemp
 
  3  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 03:15 pm
@snood,
I doubt that, but I hope smarter people are faster.
Nah, nothin sexy.
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ossobucotemp
 
  3  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 03:35 pm
@ehBeth,
you know a lot more than I do, or a lot of the rest of us.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Thu 27 Jul, 2017 04:57 pm
Fake News about Trump even in Turkey

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/27/turkish-reporter-admits-fabricating-kushner-quote-that-praised-erdogan/
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