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old europe
 
  5  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 06:35 pm
So Trump sat down with the New York Times for an interview. There's a lot of interesting stuff in there, but since health care is currently a hot topic, there's something fairly weird and bizarre in there. When Trump described to the New York Times reporters how health insurance works, this is how he described it:

Quote:
Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan.


Apparently, President Trump's idea of how health insurance works or should work is that you pay in when you're young - and very, very small amount at that - and then "get a nice plan" when you're older.

Sooooooo..... what's up with that?

Did he misspeak? Does he have no clue how health insurance works, or how much it costs? Or is he just outlining some utopian scenario of how he thinks health insurance should work, and how much it should cost?

Also, this hasn't been the first time that he has described health insurance in this kind of way. In a May interview with the Economist, he said this:

Quote:
Insurance is, you’re 20 years old, you just graduated from college, and you start paying $15 a month for the rest of your life and by the time you’re 70, and you really need it, you’re still paying the same amount and that’s really insurance.


The figures are a little different here - $15 per month instead of $12 per year - but he fundamentally seems to believe that health insurance is when you pay in a regular, tiny amount of money starting when you're young, so that when you're 70 and "you really need it" you have "a nice plan."

And in both cases, this was how he described insurance directly in the context of health insurance or Obamacare, and of what he thought was "supposed to be the way insurance works." I've linked the full transcripts for context.

Anybody feel like they have an idea of what he was talking about?
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 06:54 pm
@old europe,
sounds like 45's talking about a pension plan not a health care plan (a pension plan sold in the 1960's perhaps)

farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 07:04 pm
@layman,
you guys are clueless. Are cars covered under "Citizens United"??
Does car sign the insurance binder? Therefore,I truly believe it is the human who acquires and holds the car insurance, your alternative "facts" not withstanding.

requiring insurance to legally drive in all of the states as compared to the requirement for expansion of risk pools for ACA is what you seem to want to dismiss.

Go home and have another beignet with your Nehi.
old europe
 
  4  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 07:18 pm
@ehBeth,
That's exactly right. The crazy thing is that he describes it in the context of health insurance, and how this is "supposed to be the way insurance works."

In the Economist interview, he describes how Republicans put in $8 billion (this was the House Republican plan) to "have absolute guaranteed coverage" - even for people who haven't been paying $15 per month for their entire life, and are therefore now unable to get health insurance that only costs $15 when they're 65 or 70 years old.

He seems to believe that people would be able to get health insurance for somewhere between $12 per year and $15 per month if they started paying for health insurance when they're 20/21 years old, and that they then would be able to keep premiums that low if they consistently kept paying that same amount of money every month or year for the rest of their life.

He also seems to believe that the only reason that someone who is 65 years old can't get health insurance for $15/month is because they haven't paid in throughout their life - and that the $8 billion that were added to the House bill would make up for that, and make it possible for any 65 or 70 year old to get health insurance for $15/month, even without having paid in previously.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 07:36 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

more sotty words from two"giants of Illogic"


You really are a pip FM Smile

About as snotty as

wow, talk about ill conceived logic
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 07:52 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

you guys are clueless. Are cars covered under "Citizens United"??
Does car sign the insurance binder? Therefore,I truly believe it is the human who acquires and holds the car insurance, your alternative "facts" not withstanding.

requiring insurance to legally drive in all of the states as compared to the requirement for expansion of risk pools for ACA is what you seem to want to dismiss.

Go home and have another beignet with your Nehi.


What the hell are you talking about?

What does Citizens United have to do with this or who or what purchases the insurance policy?

Let's try this one last time: Here's what rev posted

Quote:
It is like no one really wants to pay for full coverage for car insurance until there is an accident then you are glad you have insurance to pay for any medical cost and/or car replacement not to mention the other side if you at fault. And unlike car insurance under the current health care law, your premiums don't go up because you get sick or have a pre-existing condition. Conservative republicans want to change that.


Clearly she is comparing auto insurance and health insurance and in the context of making the argument that young people should purchase the latter because as with the former, even though no one wants to pay the premium for auto insurance they're glad they did when they have an accident.

The obvious difference though is that if you have an auto accident but no insurance, you can't walk into an insurance agency the next day and purchase an auto insurance policy that will pay you for the damages you sustained the day before, whereas if a health insurer must cover pre-existing conditions, if you are diagnosed with cancer but have no health insurance, the very next day you can purchase an policy that will cover the costs of treating your cancer.

I don't think layman is arguing about mandatory insurance, and I know I'm not and that rev's comments had nothing to do with it either.

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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 08:39 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
I have been holding out hope that Mueller's investigation might bring at least some of his brood to justice, but this Slate article has me thinking twice.

Now I'm holding out hope that Drumpf steps up his consumption of red meat and french fries and continues screaming at the TV, and maybe he'll take care of the problem himself.

There was never any chance that your witch hunt was going to remove Trump when he hasn't done anything wrong.

But we still need to outlaw the Democratic Party in America in order to put an end to these witch hunts.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 08:42 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Oh by the way, Trump just threw Sessions under the bus. Apparently he didn't realize Sessions might be concerned about going to jail merely to shield Trump and his merry bunch of thieves from being exposed as collaborators with a foreign adversary and stealing from the tax payers. What a surprise.

Sessions was never at risk of jail. Even if he had blocked the witch hunt, what crime would he have committed?
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 08:43 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
US President Donald Trump's eldest son, son-in-law and ex-campaign manager are to testify before the Senate on alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election.
Donald Trump Jr, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort will be questioned about their links to Russian officials.

They really should refuse to testify without a grant of immunity. There is no reason to cooperate with this witch hunt.


Quote:
Meanwhile, the president said he would not have named Jeff Sessions as attorney general if had he known he would recuse himself from the inquiry.

Yea no kidding. Where's the loyalty these days?
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 08:44 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
And unlike car insurance under the current health care law, your premiums don't go up because you get sick or have a pre-existing condition. Conservative republicans want to change that.

Of course, you would only have a preexisting condition if you voluntarily chose to not carry health insurance.


revelette1 wrote:
Personally I wish we could fix what is wrong with our current health insurance and work on getting "Medicaid for all" or universal health care.

Medicaid is horrible health care. The Democrats succeed in foisting it off on the poor because the poor have no alternative. The middle class will NOT put up with such treatment.

Not to mention that people on Medicaid have to turn all their property over to the government when they die instead of passing it on to their children. That's going to go over real well with the voting class come election time.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 08:47 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Trump mentions in an interview that if Mueller looked into financial dealings that were not ostensibly Russia-related, Trump would see that as crossing the line. Mueller immediately expands the parameters of the investigation to include the broader financial dealings of the Trump family. I like this Mueller guy.

If Mueller goes beyond his mandate, that is justification for firing him.

Better yet, pardons will make short work of this witch hunt. If Mueller is fired the Democrats can just push to have a new independent prosecutor appointed. If everyone is pardoned, the Democrats have nothing.
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Real Music
 
  5  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 09:08 pm
https://mic.com/articles/182617/trump-asked-his-advisers-about-his-ability-to-pardon-his-family-and-himself#.hifixmOl6

Trump asked his advisers about his ability to pardon his family and himself
Quote:
President Donald Trump reportedly has been asking his advisers about his ability to pardon family members and even himself, according to the Washington Post.

In a new bombshell report, the Post claims that Trump and his team have been looking into ways to “limit or undercut” special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into his campaign and alleged ties to Russia.

Trump was reportedly frustrated to learn that Mueller’s investigation can go beyond just the Russia inquiry to explore his and his family’s financial dealings.

The Post reports that his team in the White House is looking into potential conflicts of interest that Mueller might have. Conflicts of interest are one of the potential avenues available for removing special counsel under the law.

Trump is also said to be especially concerned by the fact that Mueller could access several years of his tax returns.

An adviser close to Trump attempted to play down the pardoning questions telling the Post that he was simply expressing curiosity on the issue.

“This is not in the context of, ’I can’t wait to pardon myself,” the adviser reportedly said.

Among the reported conflicts the administration is considering are donations by several of Mueller’s prosecutors to Democratic candidates and an alleged disagreement about membership fees at one of Trump’s golf courses that Mueller was once a member of.


A spokesperson for Mueller told the post that there were no disputes about fees when Mueller left the club in 2011.
Real Music
 
  3  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 09:37 pm
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sessions-doesnt-plan-to-quit-after-trump-remarks-official-says/ar-AAovbBw?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Jeff Sessions Says He Isn't Quitting After Trump Disparages Him
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(Bloomberg) -- Attorney General Jeff Sessions said he has no intention of quitting, despite President Donald Trump excoriating him over his decision to recuse himself from the probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

“We in this Department of Justice will continue every single day to work hard to serve the national interest, and we wholeheartedly join in the priorities of President Trump,” Sessions said in a news conference Thursday. “We love this job. We love this department, and I plan to continue to do so.”
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Real Music
 
  6  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 10:23 pm
https://mic.com/articles/182612/report-paul-manafort-is-being-investigated-for-possible-money-laundering-by-special-counsel-mueller#.9PfkZgBhH

Report: Paul Manafort is being investigated for possible money laundering by Special Counsel Mueller
Quote:
A new report from the Wall Street Journal claims that former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort is being investigated for possible money laundering.

Manafort has previously been accused of taking off-the-books payments from Russla-linked politicians in Ukraine, and the New York Times reported this week that Manafort owed $17 million to Russia-linked sources just before joining the Trump campaign.

The Journal also reported that the Senate and House intelligence committees are also looking into potential money laundering by Manafort. In addition, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance are investigating several New York real estate deals involving Manafort as possible money-laundering cases.

On Wednesday, it was reported that Manafort, along with Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr, have been asked to testify before the Senate judiciary committee in open session on July 26.

Manafort has not yet publicly responded to the request.
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Real Music
 
  6  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 10:27 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/paul-manafort-russia-trump.html

Manafort Was in Debt to Pro-Russia Interests, Cyprus Records Show
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Financial records filed last year in the secretive tax haven of Cyprus, where Paul J. Manafort kept bank accounts during his years working in Ukraine and investing with a Russian oligarch, indicate that he had been in debt to pro-Russia interests by as much as $17 million before he joined Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign in March 2016.

The money appears to have been owed by shell companies connected to Mr. Manafort’s business activities in Ukraine when he worked as a consultant to the pro-Russia Party of Regions. The Cyprus documents obtained by The New York Times include audited financial statements for the companies, which were part of a complex web of more than a dozen entities that transferred millions of dollars among them in the form of loans, payments and fees.
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layman
 
  -2  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:54 pm
Ya don't say:

Quote:
STUDY BLOWS GREENHOUSE THEORY OUT OF THE WATER

A new scientific paper contends the entire foundation of the man-made global-warming theory – the assumption that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere by trapping heat – is wrong.

If confirmed, the study’s findings would crush the entire “climate change” movement to restrict CO2 emissions, the authors assert.

The paper, published recently in the journal “Environment Pollution and Climate Change,” was written by Ned Nikolov, a Ph.D. in physical science, and Karl Zeller, retired Ph.D. research meteorologist.

The paper argues that concentrations of CO2 and other supposed “greenhouse gases” in the atmosphere have virtually no effect on the earth’s temperature. They conclude the entire greenhouse gas theory is incorrect.

Instead, the earth’s “greenhouse” effect is a function of the sun and atmospheric pressure, which results from gravity and the mass of the atmosphere, rather than the amount of greenhouse gases such as CO2 and water vapor in the atmosphere.

The same is true for other planets and moons with a hard surface, the authors contend, pointing to the temperature and atmospheric data of various celestial bodies collected by NASA.

The real mechanisms that control the temperature of the planet, they say, are the sun’s energy and the air pressure of the atmosphere. The same applies to other celestial bodies, according to the scientists behind the paper.

“This was not a pre-conceived conclusion, but a result from an objective analysis of vetted NASA observations,” Nikolov said. For the first time, Nikolov said, there is now empirical evidence from NASA data that the greenhouse effect of the atmosphere is not caused by the trapping of heat, but by the force of atmospheric pressure.

So precise is the formula that, by using it, the authors were able to correctly predict the temperature of other celestial bodies not included in their original analysis.

The prevailing theory on the earth’s temperature is that heat from the sun enters the atmosphere, and then greenhouse gases such as CO2, methane and water vapor trap part of that energy by preventing it from escaping back into space.

That theory, which underpins the anthropogenic global-warming hypothesis and the climate models used by the United Nations, was first proposed and developed in the 19th century.

However, the experiments on which it was based involved glass boxes that retain heat by preventing the mixing of air inside the box with air outside the box.

The experiment is not analogous to what occurs in the real atmosphere, which does not have walls or a lid, according to Nikolov and Zeller.

In essence, what is commonly known as the atmospheric “greenhouse” effect is in fact a form of compression heating caused by total air pressure, the authors said, comparing the mechanics of it to the compression in a diesel engine that ignites the fuel.”


http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/study-blows-greenhouse-theory-out-of-the-water/

Who will be the pseudo-scientific first cheese-eater to denounce this theory as absurd and obviously wrong? Here's your chance.

glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:58 pm
@layman,
Hold your breath comrade pissy pants, I'm taking a poll....it will just take a second.
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layman
 
  -2  
Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:03 am
@layman,
Quote:
Professor Philip Lloyd with the Energy Institute at South Africa’s Cape Peninsula University of Technology (CPUT) also expressed support for the paper.

Lloyd, who was educated in nuclear physics at MIT and also served on the UN IPCC, noted that “slightly more than half of all climate scientists have just a bit of doubt about the ‘human-made carbon dioxide causes global warming’ hypothesis.”

“However, they face the question, if not carbon dioxide, what is it?” noted Lloyd, who was nominated by the UN IPCC in 2007 as part of the team to share the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore.

“Nikolov and Zeller may have found the answer – the sun,” he said. “We have known for some time that solar activity and global temperatures are highly correlated, but correlation and cause are not the same. However, Nikolov has managed to link the two in what seems to be a scientifically sound manner.

“Nikolov’s work is very interesting, and I think the underlying physics is sound,” he said.

“One of the reasons why many of us have doubts about the carbon dioxide hypothesis is that it, too, makes predictions, and many of those predictions have turned out to be wrong, so it is really nice to have something else we can test, rather than trying to tweak the carbon dioxide hypothesis to make it fit the facts better,” he concluded.


http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/study-blows-greenhouse-theory-out-of-the-water/
glitterbag
 
  2  
Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:10 am
@layman,
Wait, wait, wait comrade pp. I'll have results for you in about 14 minutes...make sure you hold your breath...it will be okey dokey.
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