@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Quote georgeob1:
Quote:We now have far more evidence confirming the existence of a DNC/ Clinton campaign and Media conspiracy to "hack" and distort our election process than we do of any supposed collusion of Trump with Russia.
But we have all kinds of Trump officials in his campaign and Administration who worked for the Russians, have been involved with them, or suddenly have amnesia when meeting Russian officials.
Former national security advisor Flynn gave a speech praising Putin during the 10th anniversary party of Russia Today, the Kremlin's propaganda outlet. He sat at Putin's table.
Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, worked for the Kremlin's stooges in Ukraine and received $10Million in payment from them which he didn't disclose. He has a contract, still possibly in force, to promote Russia from one of Putin's oligarch buddies.
Wilbur Ross, Secretary of Commerce, just months ago was director of the Cypress Bank which the Kremlin uses to launder all their money from illegal enterprises. He denied ever meeting Russian Ambassador Boris Kislyak, even though he did.
Jeff Sessions, head of the Justice Department, lied to the Senate during his confirmation hearing about meeting Russian Ambassador Boris Kislylak, even though he did.
Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and close advisor and representative, met with a Russian intelligence officer in charge of a Kremlin loan company which has lent Kushner's company hundreds of millions, which he didn't disclose. Yet his security clearance remains in force.
Have I forgotten anyone? Probably. But this will do for starters.
To the extent everything you have outlined here is accurate, it's not proof of collusion to affect the elections.
It is not illegal to do business with the Russian government or Russian companies, but if you think that no Americans should be so involved with our
greatest of enemies, you should consider the following:
The Clinton Foundation took more than $100 million in contributions from a firm heavily backed by Moscow seeking control of as much as 20 percent of this country’s uranium reserves, and the deal was signed off on by the HRC led State Dept. Bill Clinton gave a speech and received a half-million-dollar honorarium from the Moscow bank funding the effort.
John Podesta, received tens of thousands of shares of stock while sitting on the board of a company heavily dependent on Russian financing and didn’t list all this on his disclosure forms when he went into the Obama White House. Podesta responded to criticism on this with the claim that divested himself of any interest in the Russian-financed firm by leaving its board and turning his shares over to his “adult children” in an arm’s-length transaction. (sound familiar?)
Podesta's brother Tony runs the Podesta Group, a “high-powered and well-connected Washington lobbying firm.” The Podesta Group during the 2016 campaign received $170,000 from Russia’s largest bank to lobby against the sanctions imposed on Russia by the Obama administration and Congress.
As for amnesia, Sen. Claire McCaskill took to twitter to mock Sessions and said she never once met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in her 10 years serving on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
"No call or meeting w/Russian ambassador. Ever," McCaskill tweeted. "Ambassadors call members of Foreign [Relations Committee]."
Soon after that tweet, it was revealed she did interact with the Russian ambassador.
Your feigned outrage over Russian ties is obviously partisan in nature, and I'm sure that if we went back into the A2K archive we can find posts of yours wherein you defended Clinton in terms of the uranium sale.
Flynn did indeed sit a table with Putin. Guess who was there with him? Willy Wimmer, a former member of the German Bundestag; Cyril Svoboda, former deputy prime minister, minister of foreign affairs, and interior minister of the Czech Republic, and two-time U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein. Were they all in cahoots with Putin?
Dignitaries praise dignitaries at all of these functions and at certain events
Obama said this of Fidel Castro:
Quote:We know that this moment fills Cubans – in Cuba and in the United States – with powerful emotions, recalling the countless ways in which Fidel Castro altered the course of individual lives, families, and of the Cuban nation. History will record and judge the enormous impact of this singular figure on the people and world around him.
Now this doesn't equate with praise, but it's certainly not condemnation of a bloody handed tyrant.
In 2009 Obama had this to say to Putin:
Quote:"I am aware of not only the extraordinary work that you've done on behalf of the Russian people in your previous role as prime minis-, uh, as president, but in your current role as prime minister,"
I wouldn't criticize the comment. It was part of a diplomatic effort to mend fences with Russia, back in the
Reset days.
In 2014, Obama had this to say about Chinese President Xi Jinping to a group of US business leaders. Recall, this was after China successfully pulled of the most consequential cyber-attack against the US in our history
Quote:“Everybody’s been impressed by his — you know, his — his clout inside of China after only a year and a half or two years. He has consolidated power faster and more comprehensively than probably anybody since Deng Xiaoping"
Quote:“The one thing I will say is if they need to build some stuff, they can build it, and over time, that wears away our advantage competitively. It’s embarrassing. You know, you drive down the roads and you look at what they’re able to do.”
Manafort's work for Ukrainian politicians who were pro-Russia was not illegal and, you failed to note, he was fired by the Campaign.
As for Wilbur Ross, the NY Times disputes your insinuation
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/world/europe/wilbur-ross-russia-bank-of-cyprus.html