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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

They are certainly able to create tumult in the supporting media and delay the Republican legislative program in the Congress, but so far it appears to be costing them much more than they're getting.

Yeah, we agree on that George, and I think we both (and others here) have seen it coming for awhile.

I'm not sure we agree on another thing, though. I've been saying that I thought Trump would prevail (more or less) in his battle with the press, given time. As I recall you didn't really agree with that.

But I think signs of that are getting clearer, too, indicated by such things as that one of his most vociferous antagonists (CNN) just fired a senior editor and 2 reporters for their "fake news" reports. I made a post about that a page or two back if you haven't otherwise seen it.

They have been satisfied, like the front-runners they are, with "leading" the race at the quarter turn, but this "race" aint over and they're gunna fade, I figure. Maybe badly, to the point where they decide to just quit the race due to "exhaustion."

As the de facto DNC, the MSM is suffering from the russian narrative fallout too--in terms of lost credibility, at least. The recent Supreme Court ruling (among other things) hurts their sanctimonious "moral cause," too.

I'm not trying to pretend that I foresaw all of this. It was a "calculated risk" for Trump to oppose and challenge the press so adamantly and so often. But it looks to me now that it was a risk that will pay off. He just wouldn't have survived if he had remained utterly passive.

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Germany and France, before and after I-slam:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3564548/posts

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You can measure the health/the freedom of any given society by the number of burkas on the street.

Another development in the wake of the Muslim migration. Police now wear chain mail to protect against Muslim ax attacks:

http://9502-presscdn-0-95.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/muslim-ax-attacks.jpeg

http://pamelageller.com/2017/06/before-and-after-islam.html/

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These are the countries which Hinkey claims are downgrading the United States....

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@gungasnake,

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Police now wear chain mail to protect against Muslim ax attacks:

What is there that can protect Muslims from US war crimes, US terrorism, US phosphorus bombs, US lies, US false flags, US rapes, US torture, US baby killers, US napalming, US carpet bombing, US depravity, US ... ?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I appreciate your post. You have a compassionate view of people.

I once had a very good friend who was gay, but is now deceased. To this day I've thought very highly of him. He was quite an intelligent guy who was not blind to the human faults of other gays (such as those who were racists).

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@layman,

I wish I was more optimistic than I am about Trump's ability to prevail in the disputes afoot now. In the complete absence of any objective evidence of collusion, or even motive for it, the inquiry into connections (official, benign or otherwise) of his, his staff and associates with Russian figures continues unabated. The reporting is all a bit surreal, with the mere possibility of communication treated as proof positive of malicious action. The actions of the partisan press appear to be a deliberate effort to discredit and possibly paralyze the current Administration, without regard to the cost to our nation. With that in mind, and the evidently low standards being applied to proof of supposed misbehavior, I don't see any necessary lessening of the attacks.

I note the evident dulling of the public reaction to it all, as well as the recent emergence of new information suggesting perhaps more significant and purposeful action & inaction of the part of the Obama Administration. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but it appears to me that in this highly partisan dispute scoring points is far more important than any search for the truth.

The all too obvious fact that the only confirmed "hacking" of our election process confirmed so far was revealed as a result of rather gross negligence in IT security on the part of the DNC, and it involved wrongful collusion between the Media outlets, the DNC the Clinton Campaign involving the Democrat Primary contest with Sanders and the TV debates in the final election. With that in mind the current obsessions about Trump appear a bit fantastic.

I think the public is beginning to grasp all this and, if that continues we may see more daylight ahead. The continuing destructive effects on the Democrats themselves are a good deal more evident, as is the near complete absence of any political program or new leadership on their part.

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Surreal

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Quoting a Freeper post . . . Ah-hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

That Gunga Dim is a pip . . .

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@layman,

layman wrote:

Bad analogy.

Says you.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The Palestinians do not have any right to vote in countries that they do not live in and are not citizens of.

That's why they should demand enfranchisement.

The fact that they have no right to it, is why they should demand it?

The fact is that they do have the Right of Return as accorded by various international resolutions, treaties, etc.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
It would be a way to extract their Right of Return from the Zionists.

Demanding something that they have no right to have will only get their demands ignored.

See my reply above.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
It would be like an American living in America demanding that they be able to vote in Canadian elections.

No. A more apt analogy would be the Indian tribes in the US demanding enfranchisement in the US.

The Palestinians in question do not live in Israel, and are not citizens of Israel, and therefore the apt analogy would be an American living in America demanding a right to vote in Canada.

The Palestinians live in areas under the control of the state of Israel, as such, they have rights therefrom, e.g. Right of Return.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

The fact is that they do have the Right of Return as accorded by various international resolutions, treaties, etc.

Is the goal to demand a right while the world ignores you? Or is the goal to achieve something?

IF the goal is to achieve something, there are two ways to do it. One way is peaceful negotiations. The other way is military force.

IF the intent is to use peaceful negotiations, that will mean reaching a deal that is also acceptable to Israel. And that means allowing them to live in peace as a Jewish state.

IF the intent is to use military force, the Palestinians are not capable of seizing any territory from Israel, so they will have to accept a state that is composed of Area A alone (plus the Gaza Strip of course). The Palestinians simply don't have the power to seize anything greater than that.

IF the goal is simply to demand a right while the world ignores you, carry on. The world will continue to not pay any attention to your demands.

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@oralloy,

The US, always the land of the delusional. But hope is brewing, only 57% of USians are still delusional.

As Much of the World Frowns on Israel Americans Hold Out Support

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/world/middleeast/as-much-of-the-world-frowns-on-israel-americans-hold-out-support.html

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@camlok,

Mark JTT down as a vote for "making impotent demands while everyone ignores you".

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

I do think Trump is a scumbag, I think he is con man and is profiting from being a president in a way no previous president ever has before. I also think he is selfish and out just for himself and people like himself and does not really care about the rest of the world. So what?

If you think your opinion is of little import, I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

I just want the truth investigated and the truth out there and for congress to work towards preventing it from happening.

If that's what you want you should be opposing the independent prosecutor, because that is the exact opposite of what the independent prosecutor is trying to achieve.

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@wmwcjr,

Thank you, but I guarantee you that your assessment of me is not universally shared in this forum. Smile

Gays are no better or worse, universally, than anyone else. Nor are whites, blacks, Christians, atheists etc. This professor isn't a hateful asshole because she's lesbian or black, but she is a hateful asshole.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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In any case, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the professor has a history of being abused by a man or men and if so I have a great deal of sympathy for her, and certainly a lot more than she has for Otto Warmbier. Nevertheless, whatever her past may be, it's doesn't excuse her horrible behavior as respects Warmbier,

"her horrible behavior", Finn, compared to you all's horrible behavior towards, Iraqis, Afghans, Vietnamese, Koreans, Chinese, Nicaraguans, ... .

She wasn't celebrating Otto's balls being cut off, or him being skinned alive, or napalmed, or thrown out of a helicopter, or beheaded with piano wire, or poisoned with Agent Orange, or killed in a game of gook hockey, or being murdered by planned destruction of water treatment plants or food production, or ... .

Can you imagine the outrage you lot would be venting if the German people had sat around discussing the same hypocrisy you lot do daily?

You are the most stunning hypocrites the world has ever known.

Not to mention cowards who won't address your own deep failings.

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Heh, what else would you expect from the NYT, eh?

The New York Times wrote:

Your Travel Ban Isn’t Safe Yet, Mr. Trump

[Trump] shouldn’t celebrate just yet: The decision is a loss, not a win, a distinction totally lost on our rapid-fire media.

Read carefully, the opinion makes it clear that most of the Supreme Court justices think Mr. Trump’s executive order, which restricts travel from six Muslim-majority countries, is likely to be struck down if the court hears the case in the fall, as scheduled...the court’s logic suggests that it is strongly leaning toward striking down much of the ban when it hears oral argument this October...

It now seems increasingly likely that the court will eventually strike down the ban if it is still in place in the fall. In fact, Mr. Trump’s own statements might lead to its invalidation. The Fourth Circuit held that the ban likely violates the Establishment Clause because it denigrates Muslims....

In the fall, when it will likely make a final ruling on the ban, the court may endorse the Fourth Circuit’s constitutional reasoning regarding the Establishment Clause as a justification for striking it down. Or it may take a second, easier path afforded to it by the Ninth Circuit: reversing the ban on the grounds that it violates a statutory prohibition on nationality-based discrimination in immigration.

Either way, the decision this week made clear that the court found one of these two arguments against the ban likely to succeed....

The president of the United States signed an executive order based on unconscionable prejudice against Muslims....it is clear that the justices have already rebuked him...Mr. Trump can tweet about his victory all he wants. The truth is that... it was likely that the president of the United States enacted an illegal policy as his signature initiative.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/opinion/your-travel-ban-isnt-safe-yet-mr-trump.html

Everything is crystal clear, eh? This guy teaches political science, so he must be right, eh?

Dream on, cheese-eaters.

First they double-down, then they triple that. Then they sign mortages to their home, then they just throw the entire deed into the pot. Just the kinda thing that a chump, playing against professional card cheats would do, knowing that he's "due" and that he will win the next hand for sure.

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Straight from the horse's mouth, eh?

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CNN producer, caught on camera: Russia-Trump ‘mostly bullshit'

A senior producer, John Bonifield, was asked on camera about his thoughts on the Russia investigation, the one where President Donald Trump is painted as colluding with Russians to skew the election, and then the followup one — where Trump is painted as obstructing the investigation into the unproven collusion allegations.

“Could be bullshit,” Bonifield said. “I mean, it’s mostly bullshit right now.”... I just refuse to believe that if they had something really good like that, that [it] wouldn’t leak because we’ve been getting all these other leaks. So, I just feel like they don’t really have it but they want to keep digging. And so I think the president is probably right to say, like, look you are witch hunting me. You have no smoking gun. You have no real proof.”

On the video, the undercover Project Veritas journalists asks, “Then why is CNN constantly like Russia this, Russia that?”

And Bonifield’s voice responds: “Because it’s ratings. … Our ratings are incredible right now.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/27/cnn-producer-caught-camera-russia-trump-mostly-bul/

Well, that explains a lot, eh? Amazing how much they will fess up to when they don't know they're being taped.

The cheese-eaters are getting played BIGTIME, and they don't know it. They don't want to know it. If they are told, they deny it. Living a fantasy is so essential to their existence that they will pay huge sums to be deceived.

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@layman,

How desperate are Americans? Study shows most would give up alcohol to impeach Trump

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Nearly 73 percent of Democrats and 17 percent of Republicans said they would abstain from alcohol for the rest of their lives if they could see the official political process begin to remove Trump, according to a Detox.net survey of 1,013 men and women nationwide. The latest data set showing support for Trump’s impeachment—an exhaustive political process that includes no definite promise of his removal—comes at a time when multiple Democratic lawmakers are drafting articles of impeachment and at some point could bring them to the floor of Congress.

Meanwhile, more than 30 percent of Republicans surveyed said they’d quit drinking in order to have the media stop writing negative articles about Trump, compared to 6.5 percent of Democrats.

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/27/1675710/-How-desperate-are-Americans-Study-shows-most-would-give-up-alcohol-to-impeach-Trump

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