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Video of U.S. war crimes

 
 
Adrian
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 08:18 pm
Saw the clip on the news last night.

It was a lot clearer than that link.

The people were visibly unarmed.

Not good.
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 08:22 pm
Thanks, Adrian. What news was it on? I couldn't tell f they were armed, but just their casual walking, not running, not even looking up at the plane or pointing, indicates they felt ... safe / not threatened by it.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 09:01 pm
The prime time commercial news.

Nobody is taking much notice here though because we have an election tomorrow.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 09:30 pm
squinney wrote:
That was sick.


They were walking casually down the road. Even with a plane overhead, they didn't run or try to take cover as someone would if they were not innocent.


My heart is heavy, and I pity anyone who isn't bothered by that thirty second video, or that would try to defend it.


It's always blame the troops first with you people isn't it?

I don't know about you but from the first time the pilot talks you can tell that they had been tracking different groups from the air. He says "I got numerous individuals on the road, do you want me to take those out?" The inflection in his voice says it all, to me he is asking about another group of people. You also forget that in April is when the big push started coming form the terrorists and insurgents in Fallujah. It was the time when we lost the most amount of good soldiers in a single month. There was intense fighting going on in that town in April and I doubt there were groups of unarmed people just walking around town. To do so meant running into gun battles. I doubt very highly that these people were unarmed and innocent.

Have any of you showed this must anger at the innocent civilians getting their heads cut off?

I know most of you won't like the site but its the only one I know of that has all of videos in one place. Most of them are at the bottom of the page.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 05:09 am
Baldimo wrote:
squinney wrote:
That was sick.


They were walking casually down the road. Even with a plane overhead, they didn't run or try to take cover as someone would if they were not innocent.


My heart is heavy, and I pity anyone who isn't bothered by that thirty second video, or that would try to defend it.


It's always blame the troops first with you people isn't it?

I don't know about you but from the first time the pilot talks you can tell that they had been tracking different groups from the air. He says "I got numerous individuals on the road, do you want me to take those out?" The inflection in his voice says it all, to me he is asking about another group of people. You also forget that in April is when the big push started coming form the terrorists and insurgents in Fallujah. It was the time when we lost the most amount of good soldiers in a single month. There was intense fighting going on in that town in April and I doubt there were groups of unarmed people just walking around town. To do so meant running into gun battles. I doubt very highly that these people were unarmed and innocent.

Have any of you showed this must anger at the innocent civilians getting their heads cut off?

I know most of you won't like the site but its the only one I know of that has all of videos in one place. Most of them are at the bottom of the page.


It'a always attack the patriotism with you people isn't it? Naturally if there are feelings of revulsion for the killing of those people that means that "we people" must not care about those beheaded, sympathize with Saddam, hate America. Grow up.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 05:53 am
Hmmm. I'm going with: doesn't look good but not enough information.

I'm disturbed that Adrian says they appear unarmed in the video shown on the news (you can't tell on the internet video) and that the pilot and the person on the other end of the communication don't seem to care whether they are armed or not. But, it is curious that with all of the streets empty there is one large group of people walking together. Kind of an unusual pattern. My first thought was maybe a funeral or something but there is obviously no body. So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

I find the 'oh, dude' thing disturbing in the way it was said. Kind of like the way a teenage boy might say it after he's lit the school on fire or blown something up in a video game.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 05:56 am
The "logic" that sees that considering as abhorrent the possibility that the pilot simply killed a bunch of passers by, excludes also considering as abhorrent the appalling nature of the behaviour of murderous fanatics who are beheading their unfortunate captives, is so breath-takingly fallacious, and the mindset behind it so tragically simplistic and limited, that I would consider the insults of those unfortunates capable of such brain farts an accolade, and wear them with pride and honour, Bear.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 05:58 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Hmmm. I'm going with: doesn't look good but not enough information.

I'm disturbed that Adrian says they appear unarmed in the video shown on the news (you can't tell on the internet video) and that the pilot and the person on the other end of the communication don't seem to care whether they are armed or not. But, it is curious that with all of the streets empty there is one large group of people walking together. Kind of an unusual pattern. My first thought was maybe a funeral or something but there is obviously no body. So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

I find the 'oh, dude' thing disturbing in the way it was said. Kind of like the way a teenage boy might say it after he's lit the school on fire or blown something up in a video game.


I wonder if - (like one of the soldiers I saw interviewed in Baghdad, who was crowing about the slaughter he had accomplished, and saying how much fun it was and used video game language to describe it) - that is exactly what it is to some of these kids, Free?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 06:09 am
I don't think I can say one way or the other as I don't know enough soldiers. I would hope that it's not that way for most of them. I will say that, of the two young high school grads I know that have gone in to the military, both enjoyed violent video games and made many comments indicating that their reasons for going into the military were so that they could kill people. One wanted to be special forces. Both joined after the Iraq war started so they knew they were going to war.

Before anyone jumps on me about that... I realize that they were immature and even said to one 'you don't think it's really going to be like that do you?' One was actually a very sweet boy who I could imagine being broken hearted if he actually had to kill someone in real life. I think that in order to have a job that involves killing a lot of people you have to dehumanize. Seeing people as objects in a video game helps.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 06:28 am
Just watched video - I don't consider myself able to conclude anything about whether these folk were "legitimate targets" or not.

Sigh...
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BCP1
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 06:39 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I bet you especially like the part where the guy laughs and goes "Oh Dude"...tell me buddy is there any footage you could be shown of something involving death, torture, mutilation of an Iraqi you wouldn't defend to your last breath?


could there be any footage that you could be shown of something involving death, torture, mutilation etc... that you wouldnt twist to fit your own hate filled agenda?

oh, thats right, I bet you were right there to claim the beheadings were all Bush's fault.
Being a liberal is ok. Being an uneducated liberal is not.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 06:43 am
seeing people blown up, beheaded, is just wrong.........no matter whose side they're on.....it's a waste......that's the part that disturbs me most..........the incredible waste
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 06:46 am
Cyclo - Just curious, why did you title the post "WAR CRIME"?
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 06:48 am
good point woiyo, I remember jumping all over McG when he would mis-title threads with neo-moron logic.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 01:48 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
squinney wrote:
That was sick.


They were walking casually down the road. Even with a plane overhead, they didn't run or try to take cover as someone would if they were not innocent.


My heart is heavy, and I pity anyone who isn't bothered by that thirty second video, or that would try to defend it.


It's always blame the troops first with you people isn't it?

I don't know about you but from the first time the pilot talks you can tell that they had been tracking different groups from the air. He says "I got numerous individuals on the road, do you want me to take those out?" The inflection in his voice says it all, to me he is asking about another group of people. You also forget that in April is when the big push started coming form the terrorists and insurgents in Fallujah. It was the time when we lost the most amount of good soldiers in a single month. There was intense fighting going on in that town in April and I doubt there were groups of unarmed people just walking around town. To do so meant running into gun battles. I doubt very highly that these people were unarmed and innocent.

Have any of you showed this must anger at the innocent civilians getting their heads cut off?

I know most of you won't like the site but its the only one I know of that has all of videos in one place. Most of them are at the bottom of the page.


It'a always attack the patriotism with you people isn't it? Naturally if there are feelings of revulsion for the killing of those people that means that "we people" must not care about those beheaded, sympathize with Saddam, hate America. Grow up.


I didn't attack your patriotism in any way did I? Did I call you unpatriotic? If being part of the blame America first crowd makes you feel that way, then I can't help you. If you feel that way from my post then that could be some sort of underling guilt.

I haven't seen a post yet where people such as you have cried fowl about the beheadings. If you have I stand corrected. It just seems you think worse of the possible wrong doings of the US military then you do of the killings of civilians that aren't American. Have you seen the videos of the beheadings? We know for a fact that those people were innocent, but we don't know about the "civilians" in the bombing video.

Being in the military I happen to know a thing or two about procedure. As mentioned, that video would have been taken during the uprising in April of insurgents and terrorists. Wouldn't it stand to reason that these were indeed insurgents on the prowl of coalition troops, especially US Marines who lost the most amount of people that month?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 01:56 pm
It's kind of hard to get outraged at the beheadings and the insurgency when we have no business being in that country in the first place. Things like this are outrageous because we are supposed to be more civilized than them.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:05 pm
fyi I was sickened and saddened by the beheadings, said so, and anyone, anytime, anywhere who wants to put forth that I don't care about them or would try to use a tragedy of this nature to further my own agenda can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

I think I can speak for other members of this forum when I say so as well, although I wouldn't presume to name names in that regard, nor would I single any particular person out for attack.

Besides, I wouldn't want to crowd the presidents area. :wink:
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:09 pm
Baldimo, first off let me say that your posts are so much more lucid and reasoned now...and I look forward to them all the time. Now...


"people such as you"

OK me... do I have to cry out "atrocity" at every beheading to be patriotic? We can agree that atrocities are being committed against us,the invading force.

And we should agree that that does not give us carte blanche to commit atrocities in return. Lest we return to The Middle Ages when the Crusades were full of atrocities.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:18 pm
pan you are so the calm, voice of reason...you're a role model......
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:19 pm
At first glance I read mole rodel Embarrassed
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