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What is life? (a personal view)

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 03:17 pm
Now in all fairness on a more complex approach, we have this with Mandelbrot set:

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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 03:27 pm
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 03:56 pm
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 04:09 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Life is trying to find what's at the end of the rainbow, so we're not lost.

True that, but those infinity loops can catch you up for way too long.

Beware the infinite do-loop
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 04:23 pm
...and again in all fairness, I am not here to change anyone perspective on this, just share my POV, the debate:

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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 06:15 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
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I am sorry, we all have our starting axioms...

And some of those lead to logical contradictions, while some others don't... I prefer the latter.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 06:19 am
@Leadfoot,
Loops are for coders; infinity is for lovers.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 07:50 am
@Olivier5,
Virginia will be suing you for copyright infringement.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 08:12 am
@Leadfoot,
Oh come on. They took it from me.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 10:33 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
I am sorry, we all have our starting axioms...

And some of those lead to logical contradictions, while some others don't... I prefer the latter.


Soooo let me see you believe there are not sets then? Right? Great!...
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 11:28 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Set exist in our minds, which work a lot with sets (of time, places, things, and people). Like: "horses" means a subset of mammals (among other things), "bees" a subset of insect, etc. And I think that "bees" exist but of course it's complicated: there are many species of bees, and it may well be that some species look like "bees" but are in fact "flies" but yeah, they exist in my mind.

"Portugal" is a set of places, and I believe that Portugal exists. "Spain" too exists, although tomorrow it may take a different shape (if Catalonia gets out). And if you walk along the border between Portugal and Spain in the countryside, you don't see any physical difference between the two countries, for the most part. So where is the border? It is on maps, including mental ones.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 11:44 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
There is a difference between not being able to classify a set class it might be a problem of language going on holidays and right out stating that the Set of all sets does not exist.
For starters, the Set of all Sets does not have to include a set that is undecidable
Clearly, if there are Sets, then:
Either all sets are the same size. Say same class of infinite. For those who believe in infinity.
Or some sets are bigger than others.
Stating as I did that there are the biggest Set possible boils down to:
Starting from an Axiom against actual infinities.
Starting from an Axiom that Sets have information size.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 11:52 am
@Olivier5,
...clearly, there is a border between Earth and Space...
Country Borders are on a more or less "precise" map. People do believe mapping is THE form of classification among different object classes, including abstract ones.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 11:57 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Are you talking of sets of things, like planets ans stars and quasars and stuff, or of sets of sets? Because sets are a mental thing, there is no end to the sets of sets of sets of sets one can imagine. Sets of sets are infinite in this sense. But things may be limited, in terms of the total mass of the universe being possibly limited. So one could speak of the set of all things. Aka the universe.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 12:05 pm
@Olivier5,
A Set of a set of planets and a set of stars and some other stuff like black holes is called a Galaxy...do you not believe in sets of galaxies?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 02:09 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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..clearly, there is a border between Earth and Space...

Nope, just an atmosphere that gets thiner and thiner progressively. It's a gradient.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 02:11 pm
@Olivier5,
Okee dokee...
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 02:12 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Check it out.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 02:24 pm
@Olivier5,
Are you joking? You must be!...
Are you really trying to enlighten me about atmospheric density? Holly cow!!!
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 02:47 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Okay so at what altitude is this border between earth and space?
 

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