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Cat Stevens Treated Like A Terrorist By US Government

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 11:10 am
Strangely enough, the US is letting in all sorts of terrorists who act against governments that we don't like.

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1364

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I expect us to attack ourselves any day now. Our ties to these gentlemen are more proven than any AQ-Iraq ones.

Cycloptichorn
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 11:12 am
Hey now! These are our terrorists. They will be accorded diplomatic immunity.
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padmasambava
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 01:50 pm
In the selective amnesia that prevails in much of this thread, we forget how it has been our policy to set up petty dictators all around the globe in the non communist countries.

Islam hates communism. In that regard our policies have been effective.

It is interesting to see the Bush State Department make a Johnny Walker Lindh out of Cat Stevens. I made a remark earlier about how you wouldn't see a sufi volunteer to be a suicide bomber.

If someone wants to join the priesthood - I have no objection as long as they aren't holier than thou. Obviously the sanctions on Rushdie were not coming from sufis. But to suggest that Cat Stevens somehow was complicitous in plotting against Rushdie.

If our intelligence was not a failure in that region Stevens would have been operating as a mole. It doesn't sound like any effort was made to exploit that possibility.

Oh, well.

And the Co-Intel Pro was an FBI program. It wouldn't have been in the jurisdiction of those who hassle former pop stars living abroad. These days that task seems likely to be handled by a private contractor.

Spooky.

Morning has broken. It's a bright new day for fascism.
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padmasambava
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 01:52 pm
Forgive me. I dropped a clause there:

To suggest that Cat Stevens was somehow complicitous in the sanctions against Rushdie is a long stretch.
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padmasambava
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 01:53 pm
Who would argue knowing that the loss of a tongue could be the price?
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padmasambava
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 01:57 pm
Thanks for another good article Cycloptichorn. It invites the question about who is benefitting from the continued failures of the war on drugs.

Or is a failure from the standpoint of the American mob now that they monopolize both cocaine and heroin globally?
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padmasambava
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 01:58 pm
They'll close down a few pot clubs in San Francisco and say they're winning that one.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 02:21 pm
Why do I hear the sound of one hand clapping?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 02:25 pm
Have you heard cat stevens' music? He deserves to be treated as a terrorist.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 02:31 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Have you heard cat stevens' music? He deserves to be treated as a terrorist.


Well it did terrorize 'Harold and Maude', an otherwise very fine cult movie.

My question is, did he clear his voyage with US immigration before boarding the plane? If not, this whole story is much ado about nothing, despite my personal feelings on the subject.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 02:37 pm
cavfancier wrote:
My question is, did he clear his voyage with US immigration before boarding the plane? If not, this whole story is much ado about nothing, despite my personal feelings on the subject.


I'd thought, you can't go to the USA before doing such?
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 02:45 pm
I would think so too Walter.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 02:46 pm
The question goes to this point: If he followed standard procedure and was then turned back, it is clearly prejudice.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 03:40 pm
And why is no one laughing at my joke viz

How many converts does it take to change a bulb?
Two, one to hold the ladder, the other to see the light.

It was a JOKE. You may laugh if you want to.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 04:45 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Okay, even if - why did the USA authorities not make this decision for his previous US-visits, before he boarded the plane or at least after he landed in Washington ?


I wouldn't have something to do with the election campaign, would it? Cat Stevens is well known. Dramatic headlines ensured. The homeland is safe from terrorists! This would go down a treat with a particular type of voter. :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2004 11:25 pm
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Islam was admitted into the country in May but Department of Homeland Security officials said they placed him on the no-fly list in July, barring him from entry, after government agencies received fresh intelligence related to what they said were his charitable contributions to groups with terrorist ties.

"Yusuf Islam has been placed on government watch lists because of concerns of ties he may have to potential terrorist-related activities," said Homeland Security spokesman Brian Roehrkasse. "More recently, the intelligence community has received information that further heightens this concern. Our job at Homeland Security is to act upon the information we receive through the intelligence community in order to keep those that might be of harm to national security out of our country."

Officials said they could not provide specifics on Islam's alleged ties to terrorists.

Messages posted on two Web sites devoted to the singer said Islam has opposed terrorist acts and spoken for peace. "He has vehemently and consistently criticized terrorist acts and has always advocated peace through his songs and his extensive humanitarian relief work" said a message posted on www.yusufislam.org.uk, which also noted that Islam has traveled many times to the United States.

Islam came to Washington in May for an interview with XM Satellite Radio and to perform for a studio audience on the "Artist Confidential" program, said Chance Patterson, a spokesman for the radio company.

On Tuesday, Islam, who lives in Britain, was aboard a London-to-Washington flight with his daughter when it was diverted to Bangor, Maine. Islam had been expecting to head on to Japan, a U.S. official said. His daughter continued aboard the United Airlines flight to Washington while Islam remained detained in Bangor by U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials. Yesterday, Islam was flown to Dulles International Airport, where he boarded a flight for London.

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Source


Having had a look at [air-route] maps, I now think that Stevens really was posed an imminent threat to US national security, since the flight was diverted more than 600 miles.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2004 12:08 am
i think we can all agree that it would best for Homeland Security and the rest of us to catch those on a watch list or suspected of being terrorists BEFORE they board the plane.

the absurdity of refusing entry to the US for a singer whose fame is derived from a song called "the peace train" shows how disconnected from reality are the busheviks.
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