Cav
What did Mr Islam say about Mr Rushdie that he felt he had to retract?
Interesting book Pheonix
How many people reconvert? i.e. have second second thoughts and think, you know perhaps devil worship is not what I thought it was... back to unitarianism
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:I think Pheonix has a point. I can just imagine a young Osama bin Laden listening cross legged on the floor to "morning has broken" and deciding to destroy western civilisation.
What other records of mass destruction has he been quitely recording these last decades? He might be about to release them on an unsuspecting populace. Better safe than sorry.
I'm sensing sarcasm......and enjoying it..
Stevens has changed his mind about supporting the threats on Rushdie and he has very publicly spoken out against the terrorists, mainly because they attack innocent people.
Anyone who seriously advocates killing an author for what he writes is going to have trouble regaining any credibility even if he does change his mind.
I am also quite willing to believe Yousef Islam holds extremist views, even if he did make some fairly mediocre pop records in the 1970s.
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:Cav
What did Mr Islam say about Mr Rushdie that he felt he had to retract?
edgar just answered that question.
Last time Mrs. cav had really bad PMS, she threatened to kill me for not cleaning the toilet, and I must say, I took her at her word, what with the fire in her eyes. She did eventually apologize, and I forgave her.
So the stupid crap you did as a kid or a teenager that you now regret, being older and wiser, should be held against you? Interesting theory.
Sorry, bear didn't notice your thread.
Well, I really didn't know the facts of the "why", when I opened this thread - just read about 30 or so press articles and opinions on this.
Seems to be quite nice by Her Majesty's Government - if all that is true - to let them both live there.
However, there must have something happened between May and now - since in May Islam/Stevens could still visit the USA.
And now he is denied admission to the United States on national security grounds.
A couple of years ago I heard some nut saying he would fight until sharia law was imposed in Britain, and that the green flag of Islam was flying over 10 Downing Street.
I still think he was a nut. But now I realise he wasn't being ironic.
Like it or not there is a political agenda within Islam which seeks to replace the secular law with religious law. Until it does, Yousef Islam is quite willing to accept that he must obey the law of the land, and not advocate killing Salman Rushdie. But once sharia law is in place....
I dont know how many times I hear that Islam is a religion of peace. Yet the beheadings of hostages is done in the name of Allah. Other Muslims condemn this blasphemy, and are themselves killed for their apostasy.
I think American neo imperialism is an affront to Muslim countries. But I also condemn backward restrictive even barbaric practices which seem to find justification within Islam.
Quote:So the stupid crap you did as a kid or a teenager that you now regret, being older and wiser, should be held against you? Interesting theory
No I think you're missing the point here Cav.
I'm willing to bet that Yousef Islam still believes that the punishment for apostasy is death....but now he's older and wiser, he keeps his trap shut.
Interestingly, the conservative Telegraph points out that Stevens last year two songs, including a re-recording of his 1970s hit Peace Train, in opposition to the war in Iraq ... ...
The above is a satire.
So, Stevens said such about Salman Rushdie.
Obviously this became a thread against US national security only after May 2004.
And might be related to the fact that Homeland security officials recently revoked the visa of Ramadan, a Swiss Islamic scholar who was due to begin teaching at the University of Notre Dame in Indiana. No explanation for the abrupt move was given.
My understanding is that he gave large sums of money to Hamas.
This guy dropped way too much acid with Jimi back in the days, made himself an easy target for "conversion".
Okay, even if - why did the USA authorities not make this decision for his previous US-visits, before he boarded the plane or at least after he landed in Washington ?