Is THIS Your America??

Enviromate reminds me of a company I once worked for. I called it "The Sorority Party" because you had to be exactly like everyone else or they would look at you all cockeyed.

Spooky then.

Spooky now.

Nicole and Jeff Rank were removed from the event at the West Virginia Capitol in handcuffs after revealing T-shirts with President Bush (news - web sites)'s name crossed out on the front. Nicole Rank's shirt had the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back and Jeff Rank's said "Regime change starts at home."


HANDCUFFS?

Yes, this is my america. We have almost stopped hanging the black folks, we may give Amerinds a chance and liberals are still allowed to vote. All is not yet lost.

Depressing

I'm gonna eat worms.

And this is also your America:

A Climate Of Fear
By:Robert Musil

The belief that George Bush has exploited the September 11 disasters to create a "climate of fear" through use of the Patriot Act and otherwise has become a common ingredient in an intense left wing loathing of the President described by Alan Bromley in OpinionJournal today.

I view that belief as so egregious that it's holders will likely one day cringe over it more than those who once acquired avacado green appliances now cringe over those memories.

But there may be a genuine political climate of fear in some parts of the United States - including my corner of Los Angeles:

Many Republicans are afraid to put Bush-Cheney bumper stickers on their cars or signs on their lawns because they are afraid of physical retaliation from angry liberals.

It is not just that one sees few Bush-Cheney bumper stickers and lawn signs - even in areas in which one knows his support is high. I do not have such a bumper sticker or lawn sign. In fact, most Bush supporters I have asked, even those who are fairly passionate on the topic, just don't think the risk of a key-scratch or broken home or car window, or much worse, is worth whatever benefit one receives from a partisan bumper sticker or lawn sign. There are just too many personal stories of cars and homes defaced and damaged.

The sentiment is not symmetrical: One sees plenty of Kerry-Edwards bumber stickers and lawn signs - even in highly Republican neighborhoods. Indeed,one sees plenty of such stickers and signs that express left-wing sentiments much more intense and partisan than mere support of the Democratic presidential ticket. Not infrequently these stickers and signs mention some form of violence or even death with respect to Republican officials.

I recall that way back when avacado green was in fashion there was a certain current of jokes about scary right wing bumber stickers. But regardless of one's political orientation, one knew such expressions of anxiety were jokes. One knew that because one could see that people didn't act on the "fears" privately - one saw lots of Democratic stickers and signs.

Now it doesn't look like a joke. Not here, not now. Here and now there is a quiet, low grade, but very real concern among many Republicans about what an increasing proportion of liberals have become and the petty violence of which more and more of them are now capable and prone. I sense they have been led to this new state by the same factors that have created the new angry Howard Dean Democrats.

I call it "a climate of fear" because nobody should have to take into account a serious likelihood that those who do not agree with a bumber sticker's sentiment will damage a car or a home. But I am not really afraid of these new liberals. They are pathetic.

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Physical retaliation from angry liberals - As if liberals haven't seen plenty of physical retaliation themselves.

Or this?

Fear and Loathing in Manhattan
What motivates the Angry Left? Revenge.
BY ALAN BROMLEY
Thursday, September 9, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

NEW YORK--Outside the Sheraton on Seventh Avenue last Wednesday, a protester brandished her feelings on cardboard: "We don't just hate Bush, we hate all of you." She was accompanied by two young men, flush with their first beards, one of whom had a sign that stated, "You have blood on your hands." Republican delegates there were not fazed, even though the night before some had to have police escorts out of Scopa to escape the wrath and intimidation of the protesters.

I, for one, was born into confrontation, growing up in a Jewish-socialist household, where whatever my poor mother served for dinner was secondary to the political rantings of my father, an attorney, activist and speaker before the Abraham Lincoln Brigade.

So, naturally, I approached the young woman and asked, "Did you protest Saddam Hussein's killing of 1.5 million people? Are you protesting China's policy of aborting female fetuses?" She threw her sign at me! I took it home.

The night before I attended a private party at the plush Fifth Avenue home of Georgette Mosbacher, a place where I felt less at home than I did on Seventh Avenue. I was glad my wife wasn't there to gaze at the paintings adorning 20-foot ceilings, and rooms that seemed to measure 35 by 25 feet no matter where you strolled. It was filled with media stars, big donors in dark suits and tall, beautiful women.
One very engaging TV show host, describing himself as a Democrat, asked me, "Where does the hatred of President Bush come from? I don't understand it."

"You know," I replied, "I have to confess to recognizing that hatred. I had it for President Clinton. I knew from the moment that he said he 'didn't inhale' that he was a gratuitous, if not compulsive, liar, and from there I questioned his every move. The attempt to take over the health care industry, the IRS audits of so many critics of his that the odds of spotting a platypus in the Central Park reservoir were greater than not being audited if you were an anti-Clinton group; the treatment of Billy Dale in the travel office. I felt he was brutal in his dealings with people, all while espousing equality, so I came to loathe him."

Now, when I witness the hatred spewing from this season's protesters, I realize how difficult it was for my friends to accept my own loathing, no matter how justified I felt. At many parties, my wife had to leave early, just to accompany me out the door after a political debate.

At one dinner, after appetizers and before entrees, our friends Ted and his wife Sharon, said they had "heard enough!" I asked, "enough of politics, or enough of my views?" They replied, almost in unison, "Your views!" They then left the table and went home.

To their credit, the next day they apologized. Now, years later, it's my turn: "Ted and Sharon. I'm sorry for being so strident." Seeing the anger of these protesters, I realize for the first time how toxic I was, even if I was right on the issues.

So what virus of hatred has now infected our young and their idols in Hollywood, the music industry and the liberal media?
It's not really that they oppose ridding the world of Saddam Hussein (President Clinton recognized him as a dangerous malignancy) or fear losing jobs abroad (President Clinton pushed for free trade). It's not "sweetheart deals for Halliburton" (which has lost money for seven straight quarters, and which President Clinton brought into Kosovo) or "oil" (this administration is freeing up oil revenues for the Iraqi people, not for palaces or armaments and weapons of mass destruction).

It's about payback.

I once took a course with my former good friend Eric (we had too many strident political disagreements to remain cordial), one of the pre-eminent sales training professionals in the country, where he exhibited that within any group when someone offering a solution or plan is shot down, that person will retaliate within minutes. So what we have here is retaliation. We conservatives spent at least four years battling, criticizing, impaling and impeaching President Clinton. Earlier, we watched his minions pillory Robert Bork into a verb and try to turn Justice Clarence Thomas into Uncle Tom.

Mr. Clinton was the "poster boy" of Hollywood, strutting, flirting and exercising his power, like the Warner Bros., and taking his rewards in both lust and revenge. Tinsel Town works like that; so does Seventh Avenue, by the way, and those who are close to the glitter wink and pick up the remnants of the game.

And those who sit in judgment of power misused are nowhere, rolling stones, as the song says--they don't wield anything; neither favors nor envy. So, led by the "elite" on the west coast and the media on 43rd Street, (who relish and languish in their own powers as "arbiters of truth") these protesters embrace hate, the hate of revenge.
They march down Broadway carrying their ugly demeanor and vile signs; they heckle and try to intimidate those who try to embrace reason and embrace the optimism that has made America great.

But those who build, create--and who came to New York City to endorse President Bush--need not be afraid of the protesters and their messages of hate and doom. Tomorrow has always been better in the United States of America. And yesterday was a damn good day.

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The Republicans started it with physical intimidation of their own.

In what way Edgar? Or are you just talking out of your hat?

I could get countless examples off the internet, as could you. I speak the truth and anybody wanting to know can find the information.

Edgar, what you wrote was tantamount to a playground scuffle and one of the parties claiming:

"You started it first"

Please post at least ONE example of how the Republicans 'Got physical' first. A link would help.

Merely claiming:

YOU STARTED IT is not even an acceptable answer in a debate between 7 year olds, so it would be nice to see some proof of your claims.

Don't be a child.

Once again, no link, no example, no proof, merely childish name calling.

I felt I was merely asking the first time in asking for some... ANY proof or example of your claims and yet you chose to claim to have 'numerous' examples and yet refuse to post even one. You then claim you speak the truth and end it.

I then asked (somewhat sarcasticly) for even one concrete example.

You then replied:



You can see where I would be disinclined to merely accept at face value, someone who refuses to back up their claims with even a link.

Heck, I would even accept an example from moveon or commondreams as an example of your beliefs or claims, but you won't even give me the courtsey of that.

Yet another example of how liberals feel that they can make any accusations they please and never have to back it up with proof or facts.

CINCINNATI A heckler who briefly interrupted a speech by Democrat John Kerry today says he was assaulted by two men near him in the crowd before others shouted him down with cries of "Kerry, Kerry."

Police said 48-year-old Michael Russell of Foster, Kentucky, complained that his neck was hurt by a man who put him in a headlock after Russell started to yell about Kerry's allegation of war atrocities after returning from Navy service in Vietnam.

City police were investigating. No charges had been filed today.

Russell says he had been trying to ask Kerry whether he had personally participated in atrocities in Vietnam including burning villages.

Russell says he was then grabbed by the man standing next to him in the audience.

Kerry spokesman David Wade told reporters that the heckler was Mike Russell, who is listed as a spokesman for the anti-Kerry group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The group has accused Kerry of lying about military heroism for which he received medals.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Source: http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=2275114&nav=0RZFQhUk


Funny how some of the more "progressive" amongst us are the same people who have little tolerance for dissension....

oh please, alv. this guy is the same kind of redneck ass that spent time beatin' hippies in the bad ol' days. he's matched by his bretheren taking out people wearing the wrong tee shirt in cuffs. they are both the same guy in different hats.

political opinion is a right. for all sides. 1st amendment, baby.

in case it hasn't occured to you, the 2nd amendment works for both sides, as well.

don't make the mistake of thinking that everybody that dislikes bush is a "kumbya" humming wimp.

this isn't your daddy's generation gap. mcvay is only one side of the story. there are people out there that will make the sds and the sla look like couch potatos. and a lot of them have the "assault rifles" that the right is so wild about.

thereby highlighting the best reason for the rest of us to come back down to earth and be civil with each other over the simple politics of our country.

or as that big liberal wuss of long ago said, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

lest they hop up and kick your ass in.

Allan Bromley

And apparently he swallowed hook, line and sinker the entire right wing effort to attack the Clinton Presidency on a daily basis, to launch purported scandal after purported scandal, to make hollow claim after hollow claim and attempt nothing less than a coup. Republicans don't like to be reminded that the entire set of lies, rumors and outrageous claims made against Bill Clinton (Want the partial list? Drugs, murder, theft, malfeasance, espionage) were aimed at taking over the American government. They grouse darkly about the treatment of Judge Bork and Clarence Thomas as if there was some comparison between the two efforts. Holy Cow!

What we've seen in the past twenty years is a campaign to put into office a conservative elite whose goal it is to reign supreme while holding onto both power and wealth. Subverting the Constitution of the United States is a small stumbling block to these folks, and they are well on their way to achieving their goal. Scaife, Norquist, Gringrich don't give a ratass about the pro-life, anti-gay marriage, god-in-America yahoos as long as they vote the right way and the fun thing is the yahoos are the ones the conservative elite are going to get to pay for it all.
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Why not lower the taxes on the top 1%, create the nation's largest deficits and just say that everything going to be right okie-dokie? The sheeple will eat it up. Why not pass a drug bill that costs a third more that we say it will? If we say the lower number enough it will sound like it's true to the bozos who are going to end up shelling out for it. We don't care, we've got enough cash to buy our own meds.

Why not send tanks in against terrorists? Not effective, we know, but it looks good on TV, like we are fighting the fight.

Why not create an atmosphere of fear so they not only let us stay in power but gladly cast their vote for us?

Any who oppose us endanger us.

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When did George Orwell rise from the dead?

I guess if you like totalitarian government you're really going to like the next twenty years.

Joe

I didn't name call. You Republicans have to sling mud instead of being civil to people. Why make it personal? This is just a forum, where you don't know me and I sure as hell don't know you. I don't spend my time chasing links for something so obvious. I don't ever put bumper stickers on my car or wear Kerry buttons for fear of reprisals here in this part of free America. I barely mention politics in public here for the same reason.

Squinney, I would like to thank you for starting this thread. I'm glad we have somewhere to post some of the disgusting, lowlife acts that are being committed by libs and "progressives."

Indeed, this is the Left's America.