Should hunting be stopped, no way. If game population is not controlled then there will be too many critters .
I agree - heads of hunters on poles please!
Funny how animal rights types seem to value the life of a fox (essentially vermin) over the life of a person isnt it?
UK fox hunters 'not welcome in Ireland'
Sunday November 21, 2004
Frustrated British fox hunters will not find a refuge in Ireland after the blood sport was banned in the United Kingdom on Friday.
The Hunting Association of Ireland says that the 80 hunts operating in the Republic are already oversubscribed and there is very limited potential for 'hunt tourism'.
However, proponents of hunting in Ireland fear it may not be so easy to put off mainland animal rights activists, who are now expected to turn their sights on Ireland and France in a bid to achieve a Europe-wide ban.
Several of the Republic's top hunts have been warned that experienced hunt saboteurs will cross the water to boost a hitherto disorganised and flagging campaign.
Aggressive British tactics have led in the past to clashes with Irish farmers and hunt supporters, who had previously faced only passive local protests.
This weekend, the Irish hunting association said that visiting demonstrators would encounter strong resistance. 'Let's just say that the author ities in Ireland will view these people very differently from the way they might have been treated in the UK. There will be no softly, softly approach,' said spokesman David Wilkinson.
The Irish Council against Blood Sports said yesterday that overseas protesters would receive its full support. However, it called on the government to discourage English huntsmen using Ireland as a means of avoiding the ban.
Its vice-president, Tony Gregory, TD, said he was preparing an anti-hunting bill for the Irish parliament and would introduce it when the UK ban came into effect.
The hunting association, however, says it is confident that such a ban will never be put in place in Ireland. 'We're confident that the government recognises and will continue to recognise the importance of hunting to the rural community,' said Wilkinson.
The Irish Bloodstock Agency yesterday admitted that the UK ban would hit the horse industry in Ireland. A substantial number of young horses are bred for export to the UK for hunting and point-to-point racing.
The agency says that breeding these animals provides a livelihood for many farmers, who had been forced to abandon dairy and livestock because of EU quotas.
Meanwhile, a few hunts in Ireland may be willing to bend their rules to allow a handful visitors from the UK.
The North Galway Hunt will continue to accommodate Captain Mark Phillips, the former husband of the Princess Royal, who runs a twice-yearly hunting and cross-country clinic in Co Mayo, and the West Waterford, which hunts near the Lismore home of the Duke of Devonshire, is rumoured to be ready to extend an invitation to the Prince of Wales.
Not sure I believe the one about hunts breeding foxes for hunting, nor in fact about bagging foxes to be rereleased. Sounds like a bit of anti-hunt propaganda to me. What did they do? ask the hounds to corner the fox then have a chat til the hunt caught up? (Although I have seen some evidence that this type of thing has happened with stags, which is totally disgusting)
Hunters 'breeding foxes' to provide for the kill
Concrete chambers used as 'artificial earths' to ensure supply of animals for blood sport
Sunday February 17, 2002
Hunts across the country are breeding foxes in specially made dens to ensure an adequate supply of the animals, undermining claims that they are killed only in the name of pest control.
The 'artificial earths' are built on the territory of more than 50 hunts, from the Isle of Wight to Cumbria, including some of Britain's most prestigious such as the Quorn and Beaufort hunts.
The earths are usually sunken concrete chambers built into the ground and connected by a network of tunnels. Foxes are encouraged to live in them and are sometimes fed and given water. They are usually built in areas near to key hunt 'meets', for example in woodland that will be hunted on Boxing Day or other prime occasions. The earths ensure that foxes are always available for a hunt in a specific area.
Animal rights campaigners last night expressed dismay over the use of such a widespread national network of artificial earths, claiming that the policy exploded a key argument of the pro-hunting lobby, which campaigns on the basis that fox hunting is a form of pest control.
'Artificial earths are designed to ensure that hunts have a healthy population of foxes to kill. They are basically breeding these animals to be hunted. It is nothing to do with controlling a pest,' said a spokesman for the League against Cruel Sports.
The league, which has documented the earths, believes that their true number is likely to be more than 200. 'They are hard to find and we know we haven't come anywhere close to discovering them all,' a league spokesman said.
Sometimes the earths are concentrated in small areas. League members say they have found 31 on land hunted by the Thurlow foxhounds in Cambridgeshire, some of which are built with bricks. In a single wood owned and hunted by the Suffolk Foxhounds there are three artificial earths.
At some earths, foxes are fed by dumping animal carcasses near the entrances. League members have filmed and photographed two calf carcasses dumped within 100 yards of an artificial earth on land used by the Heythrop foxhounds in Oxfordshire, one of the country's most prestigious hunts. Near the bodies were animal bones, indicating that carcasses had been dumped on the site before.
'The proximity of the carcasses to an artificial earth where foxes were living is just too much of a coincidence. We believe they were put there to feed the foxes,' one league member said.
A spokeswoman for the Heythrop hunt said it did not deliberately feed foxes. 'I would strongly suggest it must be somebody else. The Heythrop does not put out calves' carcasses anywhere,' she said.
League members found a second artificial earth on the hunt's range which was one of the most elaborate they had documented, containing a 'dropping pot', which allowed terriers to be put in to flush out a fox. It included water bowls fed by hosepipe and was located in trees in a sheep pasture.
The league said it would be handing a dossier of its findings to the Department for Rural Affairs and local trading standards officers. Dumping carcasses in the countryside is illegal.
The latest revelations come after league members last month showed deer carcasses being dumped near artificial earths on the estate of the Duke of Beaufort, a friend of the Prince of Wales.
Simon Hart, director of the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Hunting, said it was not illegal to create artificial earths, but most of them were unused and dated back decades. He said that those artificial earths that were used were designed to encourage foxes to settle away from roads or poultry farms and not for the purposes of hunting.
'I don't see that there's any contradiction between countryside management, which includes the use of artificial earths, and the need to control fox numbers,' he said.
However, a spokeswoman for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals condemned the practice. 'There are a lot of artificial earths around that are still in use. The only benefit of doing that is to know where foxes live so you can hunt them. It shows that hunting is not pest control; it is just a blood sport,' she said.
Even some among the hunting fraternity admit that some hunts use artificial earths and leave out animal carcasses to ensure a plentiful fox population. 'A few hunts do it and I have to say that I disapprove of it totally,' said Janet George, co-founder of the Countryside Action Network. 'There is no need to encourage them to breed. They will breed anywhere anyway.'
Some pro-hunters blame the creation of artificial earths on farmers seeking to control their fox populations. But a spokesman for the National Farmers' Union said this was unlikely. 'I would be amazed if farmers were involved. If hunts are using artificial earths for foxes, that would anger farmers,' he said.
Last week the Scottish Parliament voted to ban hunting with dogs, prompting speculation that similar measures will be attempted in England and Wales. Pro-hunting groups have vowed to challenge such a ban.
Phew! Just goes to show how good the anti-hunt propaganda machine is eh? lol.
"Even some among the hunting fraternity admit that some hunts use artificial earths and leave out animal carcasses to ensure a plentiful fox population. ......
Good to see the practice isn't too widespread isn't it?
Mass hunt protests to mark ban
Friday, 10 December, 2004, 17:25 GMT
More than 250 hunts will meet legally the day after the ban on hunting with dogs comes into force, campaigners say.
The Countryside Alliance said the 19 February meets would show the new law was "impossibly difficult to determine" and open to different interpretations.
The move comes after the first man to be tried under Scottish anti-hunting laws was cleared of wrongdoing.
In a test case a court ruled that Trevor Adams, 46, from Melrose, was not "hunting", but "searching" for a fox.
The ban on hunting has been welcomed by animal rights activists, many of who have campaigned for a ban for decades.
But the Countryside Alliance's chief executive Simon Hart told BBC Radio 4's World at One that everyone hunting on 19 February would still be able to do so within the law.
"Anybody who suggests this is going to be an exercise in law breaking is going to be very much mistaken, he said.
He said policing and enforcing the ban would be "an absolute nightmare."
The campaign group said the ban would mean it was legal to hunt rabbits, but not hares.
It would also be legal to flush out a mammal with two dogs to be shot, or to "simply take your hounds on exercise".
Earlier on Friday, Trevor Adams was cleared of deliberately using a pack of hounds to hunt foxes.
He was the first person to go on trial accused of breaking anti-hunting laws, introduced in Scotland in 2002.
He denied the charge and claimed the hounds were used to "flush" out foxes so they could be shot.
In November, the use of the Parliament Act led to moves towards a total ban on hunting with dogs in England and Wales.
However, many pro-hunt activists remained defiant after the law was passed, saying they will ignore the ban and continue to hunt.