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@Baldimo,

Have you ever studied Economics? You seem pretty ignorant about the elementary concepts.

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@cicerone imposter,

Point out where I'm wrong instead of questioning my intelligence.

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@Baldimo,

Every thing.

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@Baldimo,

If you don't understand the difference between voter fraud and murder, you are hopelessly ignorant.

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@cicerone imposter,

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@cicerone imposter,

Drug possession, speeding, drunk driving... The list goes on and on and on of things are against the law, but every single law gets broken even though we know it is against the law, people always think they have a good excuse for doing the things they shouldn't. To point to murder as the single example is laziness on your part, and ignorance is to think that someone is going to think that the voting laws are so sacred that they wouldn't violate them.

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@Baldimo,

Laws get broken all the time? Really? Where did you learn this secret?

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@cicerone imposter,

If people breaking laws in no secret, what makes you think someone wouldn't break the law and vote when they aren't suppose to?

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@Baldimo,

Because voter fraud is very limited in comparison to other federal crimes.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-voter-fraud-math-214695

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Because voter fraud is very limited in comparison to other federal crimes.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-voter-fraud-math-214695

And the payoff is SO SO SO small. Like infinitesimally small.

There is no benefit to committing in person voter fraud.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Because voter fraud is very limited in comparison to other federal crimes.

Has there ever been a real investigation by the US govt into the voter system? How can you know for sure when there is no real accountability in the system to start with? For something so sacred, why do you treat it with such a laissez faire attitude? God forbid someone try and secure the system from fraud, you throw a fit and make BS accusations about disenfranchisement.

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@maporsche,

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And the payoff is SO SO SO small. Like infinitesimally small.

There is no benefit to committing in person voter fraud.

If it is only a single voter, but we don't know how bad it could be. As noted, no proof of citizenship required to register to vote, and in states like CA, you don't have to produce an ID to vote. So what secures the system from fraud? You can't say honesty, because even the smallest of crimes with no benefit get committed all the time. If we are talking about illegal immigrants voting, there is nothing that really prevents them from voting. With immigration being such a heavy subject, what makes you think illegal immigrants wouldn't vote to keep anti-illegal immigrant candidate out of the office? It seems if it worked that it would be a pretty big payoff indeed. No more deportations and easy citizenship within their grasp. What do they really have to lose? Jail time? Pfft, if they were in CA, they would be released into the population and not deported anyways.

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@Baldimo,

Most, if not all, people responsible said there is no evidence of voter fraud. Do you know more than they do?

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

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And the payoff is SO SO SO small. Like infinitesimally small.

There is no benefit to committing in person voter fraud.

If it is only a single voter, but we don't know how bad it could be. As noted, no proof of citizenship required to register to vote, and in states like CA, you don't have to produce an ID to vote. So what secures the system from fraud? You can't say honesty, because even the smallest of crimes with no benefit get committed all the time. If we are talking about illegal immigrants voting, there is nothing that really prevents them from voting. With immigration being such a heavy subject, what makes you think illegal immigrants wouldn't vote to keep anti-illegal immigrant candidate out of the office? It seems if it worked that it would be a pretty big payoff indeed. No more deportations and easy citizenship within their grasp. What do they really have to lose? Jail time? Pfft, if they were in CA, they would be released into the population and not deported anyways.

A while back Baldimo, I did the math on how many school buses of people it would take to do the 4 million "fraudulent" votes in California Trump thinks happened.

I chose school buses because it was proposed that people were being bused around from district to district and voting multiple times.

4 million Mexican illegal immigrants, going to 6 different polling places on voting day, and 45 voters per school bus. It would take 666,666 individual people willing to commit 6 cases of in person voter fraud in a single day, being driven around on 14,814 BUSES full of brown people loading and unloading in smallish geographic areas.

Does ANY of that sound likely to you whatsoever?

Not to mention the hacking of emails that's been done. If such a massive (and it would indeed have to be MASSIVE) scheme was being done, do you think it would maybe have been found somewhere in the DNC email hack?

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@cicerone imposter,

I'm not as trusting as they are in their "investigations". If you don't want to find something, you won't find it. I honestly don't think they wanted to find anything, so they didn't. I don't care who get rooted out by an investigation, they should be found and the holes in the system should be fixed. Every system has fraud.

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@maporsche,

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A while back Baldimo, I did the math on how many school buses of people it would take to do the 4 million "fraudulent" votes in California Trump thinks happened.

I'm not concerned with Trumps accusations and could careless what he thinks actually happened. I only use CA as an example of a state that doesn't have a secure election system, and has a history of being weak on illegal immigration.

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I chose school buses because it was proposed that people were being bused around from district to district and voting multiple times.

You assume it was people voting multiple times, instead of a large flux of single voters in a state with lax attention to immigration laws.

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4 million Mexican illegal immigrants, going to 6 different polling places on voting day, and 45 voters per school bus. It would take 666,666 individual people willing to commit 6 cases of in person voter fraud in a single day, being driven around on 14,814 BUSES full of brown people loading and unloading in smallish geographic areas.

Does ANY of that sound likely to you whatsoever?

As noted above, I don't think voter fraud would have been in the way you describe.

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Not to mention the hacking of emails that's been done. If such a massive (and it would indeed have to be MASSIVE) scheme was being done, do you think it would maybe have been found somewhere in the DNC email hack?

You assume any fraud would have involved the DNC party to pull off? How about a panic that one candidate will deport them and the other candidate will give them citizenship.

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Robert Reich
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Trump’s attack on democracy shouldn’t divert our attention from other attacks now underway. A group called the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC — at the direction of billionaire GOP donors Charles and David Koch and their corporate cohorts — is pushing to convene a constitutional convention, permitted under Article V of the Constitution. At their convention, they’d attempt to rewrite the Constitution to reduce the power of the people and enhance the power of big corporations.
This is no conspiratorial joke. It takes 34 states to convene a constitutional convention, and 28 states have already passed resolutions to do exactly that. The ALEC/Koch consortium is now targeting 11 others.

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@Baldimo,

If it's not coordinated then you're really trying to tell me that you think millions (millions?) of individual voters decided on their own that they would commit in person voter fraud? Where the consequences of getting caught is deportation, a $10,000 fine, and maybe jail time. Millions (really?) of individual people decided that they'd do this in states like California (which had zero chance of voting Republican) on their own? Where did the illegal immigrants get the names and addresses of non-voters?

Honestly man, you can't actually believe this.

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@maporsche,

Baldimo is a conspiracy specialist, or haven't you noticed. Never mind that those on the front line says otherwise.

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@maporsche,

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If it's not coordinated then you're really trying to tell me that you think millions (millions?) of individual voters decided on their own that they would commit in person voter fraud?

I don't think it could happen in the millions, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all.

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Where the consequences of getting caught is deportation, a $10,000 fine, and maybe jail time.

It doesn't stop people from committing ID fraud so that they can work in the US. There are fines and jail time associated with those crimes as well. They think it is worth it. They also use those same ID's to apply for tax returns, which is another form of fraud with fines and jail time. Yet it happens all the time.

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Millions (really?) of individual people decided that they'd do this in states like California (which had zero chance of voting Republican) on their own?

As I noted, it likely isn't in the millions, but even 1 vote like this is too many. It also doesn't matter which party they vote for, it is just more likely that illegal immigrants would vote for the DNC due to their policies on immigration.

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Where did the illegal immigrants get the names and addresses of non-voters?

Now you are just ignoring how the system works. They don't have to steal anyone's name to vote. When we fail to confirm citizenship status when someone registers to vote and then fail to check ID's when people vote, it isn't hard to game the system. Mover Voter laws and giving illegal immigrants drivers license and not verifying ID prior to voting makes this all possible.

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Honestly man, you can't actually believe this.

I don't believe it how you seem to think it would go down, that would be a Hollywood movie. I look at how the system is setup and the lack of protections and security the Federal govt and state govts give to our election system.

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