thethinkfactory wrote:
Frank - how about these two instances:
Case #1
I am in a motorcycle accident - I have such severe spiral fractures that a leading orthopedic surgeon (in this case Dr. Scholls) tells me I will never walk again. I am visited in a dream some days later by an angel (very picture book - wings and such) and tells me I will be fine. Within a month I am walking and to this day do very well on my leg.
Actually, this is unambiguous evidence that the doctor who told you you would never walk again was incorrect.
A dream is a dream!
In any case, to suppose this is unambiguous evidence of the existence of a god is absurd.
Quote:Case #2
I use my pool cue to hit the cue ball into the eight ball and it moves.
In both cases I cannot observe the causal nexus and have no direct experiential - deductive proof that either the angel healed me or the cue ball CAUSED the eight ball to move.
C'mon. Do you want to discuss whether or not there is unambiguous proof of the existence of a god...or do you wanna kid around?
Quote:Also, Joe and Frank I am also not deducing anything here. I am talking about inductive evidence. Frank's claim is that because all religious experience is ambigious no religious experience can be counted as evidence is the claim I am trying to address.
I never made any such claim!
Quote:I do not claim that God exists because I feel one thing - I use that as one peice of inductive evidence to be wieghed in with other bits. And yes, Joe, this does mean when prayers are not answered that I put THAT bit in my careful wieghing of my belief in God. I do not go willy nilly into this - this is a life long experiential experiement to give inductive evidence to God's existence.
Well...what unambiguous evidence do you have that a god exists?
Quote: The only leap of faith is when there is not conclusive evidence for or against God's existence that I 'chose' to believe.
"The only...!"
That is the whole shooting match, Jason.
There is no conclusive evidence...for or against the existence of any god.
There is no unambiguous evidence for or against the existence of any god.
Quote:Does this make sense?
No.