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Language and Propaganda - an example

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 03:40 am
@blatham,
Another phrase they use is "race baiter." Whenever a racist incident is highlighted or protested against it's always blamed on "race baiters" stirring up black people. The narrative being that the only reason race is an issue in America is because of "race baiters," not racists.

There's a few on A2K who are guilty of this.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 06:30 am
@izzythepush,
I love irony.

This thread, about Propaganda, has itself become (rather one-sided) propaganda.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 07:12 am
@maxdancona,
You've yet to show any understanding of what irony actually is, which in itself is ironic.

You may not understand irony, but you certainly love repetition. Your phrase "I love irony" is your catch all response to any post you disagree with but can't think of anything remotely amusing to say.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 07:32 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You've yet to show any understanding of what irony actually is, which in itself is ironic.


Yes, isn't that funny.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 07:34 am
@maxdancona,
No, it's dull, turgid and Oh so predictable.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 08:33 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Another phrase they use is "race baiter."

Yes, and the similar "playing the race card".
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 08:35 am
Does anyone wish to speak to the use of "identity politics". It's use is less frequent but not that much less frequent.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 09:22 am
@blatham,
Only in the way it seems to have been turned on its head by the right wing who see rights for women, GBLT people and those of ethnic minorities as a threat to their rights.

"All lives matter" is a prime example, white lives have always mattered, they're not disproportionately targeted by police, imprisoned or ghettoised. Black lives haven't really mattered for a very long time. That's why white people need to be reminded that black lives matter too.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 09:38 am
This is a thread with a bunch of political ideologues on one side of the political spectrum point out the "propaganda" being used by the ideologues on the other side. This is a very one sided thread. That is what makes it propaganda.

If you can point out the propaganda that clouds your own thinking, isn't that more useful and intellectually honest? There are many ways that the liberal narrative ignores facts, uses simplistic labels and makes misleading argument. Why aren't people here willing to have a balanced discussion.

After all the title of this thread is "Language and Propaganda". The idea that liberals don't use language and propaganda (which one might infer from the posts in this thread) is laughable.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 10:25 am
@izzythepush,
The left has also turned civil rights on it's head by consistently putting the needs of White women over the needs of Black men and women.

In almost every way, White women have been privileged compared to Black men and women. Today White women make more than Black men, they control more wealth, live longer are less likely to be incarcerated. This has been true throughout history. White women have always been privileged compared to any other group.

And yet, liberals put the needs of White women, and the perceived slights of White women above the needs of Black men and women. When you hear about pay equity, they aren't talking about racial inequity.

In this way, the left elite has chosen the issues that relate to them over the issues dealing with real injustice in our society.

Does anyone want to talk about that... or is this really just a dump on conservatives thread?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 10:33 am
@maxdancona,
From the few statistics I've seen, Asians earn the most whether men or women.

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"Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009, and it was $33,321 for Black households.Sep 17, 2013
Here's Median Income In The US By Race - Business Insider
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 10:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
Great Cicerone. This is a very good example of how propaganda works, you find a single data point that supports your ideological narrative and ignore the rest. The point is that (as this example shows) liberals do that the same as conservatives do.

Try looking at the statistics for Black or Hispanic men and women vs White Women. See how that changes things.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 10:45 am
@maxdancona,
I think it's pretty obvious that white women earn more than Blacks or Hispanics. We're only talking about "in total." There are many Black professionals and athletes who earn much more than any other ethnic group.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 10:47 am
Just to provide another example of how liberals use propaganda, look at what liberals have done to GMOs.

The liberals have an ideological reason to oppose genetically modified crops. They use a set of arguments to demonize them that ignore, and sometimes contradict, scientific fact.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 12:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I don't get your point Cicerone. Would you say there are many female professionals and athletes who earn much more than any other gender?

I don't think your claim makes any sense. Can you provide some data?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 12:56 pm
@blatham,
This was an interesting discussion. What came out of Trump's success is the split in the GOP that will last many years into the future. The question is 'how long into the future.'
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 02:00 pm
@maxdancona,
You're talking bollocks. This is a thread about the misuse of language, not somewhere you can air your own insecurities. You went through a messy divorce, get over it. I'm not remotely interested in how you've been brutalised by white women. Poor poor you.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 02:20 pm
@maxdancona,
Were talking political propaganda. The dems. use TRUE facts as propaganda while the republicans seem to believe that their opinion makes their propaganda TRUE fact. But yes they all use propaganda as a tool. One just should never accept the word of either side without googling it for truth. Of course I have found that truth is subjective with some people.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 02:24 pm
@RABEL222,
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The dems. use TRUE facts as propaganda while the republicans seem to believe that their opinion makes their propaganda TRUE fact.


How is this not an example of your own bias? You obviously seem to believe that your opinion makes your propaganda TRUE fact.

Let's take GMOs for example. Democrats are claiming that these are bad for health, and that they are hurting adjacent farmers using conventional crops. Neither of these things are true.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2016 02:27 pm
@izzythepush,
Do you really want to get into attacking my personal life again Izzy? How did your marriage end again.... that must have been messy.

(Or we could agree to leave our respective ex-wives out of it.)

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