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why Im NOT even interested in the green party

 
 
Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 09:27 am
Mainly the Greens are AGAINST everything. Theyre actually likeultra conervatives and ultra progressives in that they dont stand FOR much of anything.(witness Sanders view s on fracking and the conservatives views ON national health care). These people are both on obverse sides of the same coin

I giuess Im somehwat torn bout things like frqcking, but the Green answer is to abandon this entire resource without trying to fix the resource recovery process.

Imagine if we hadda resort to firewood, itd become a quickly disappearing resource and a waste nightmare (probably as bad as coal or peat)

 
revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 10:01 am
I don't know too much about the party, I just assumed the party was about Climate Change. Is that not correct?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 10:55 am
@revelette2,
Its about anything environmental (as well as other things) which cn be refuted by interminable arguments, many without evidence.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 11:13 am
@farmerman,
Stein's comments re vaccinations have been troubling.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/jill-stein-thinks-there-are-real-questions-about-vaccin-1784533166

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2016/07/29/theres-nothing-green-about-jill-steins-vaccine-stance/#53e9b52b6465

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/07/29/jill_stein_continues_pandering_to_anti_vaxxers.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 11:26 am
@farmerman,
As an Independent, I vote on issues as the come up. I believe in fiscal conservatism and universal health care. I also believe in free education that will keep our country competitive in the world.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 11:28 am
It seems, that Green party is similar to our Greens ... in the late 70's/early 80's of last century. Wink
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 11:54 am
@revelette2,
Dont get me started about libertarians. They occasionally leave us to return to thwir mother ship.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 12:35 pm
@farmerman,
That's just typical politics bullshi, and almost anyone other than the incumbent will typically run on an opposition platform to some degree. It's fundamentally easier to criticize than to do things, and when you aren't the incumbent the easiest political strategy is criticism. Even the major parties will indulge in this, running opposition campaigns is the bread and butter of politics.

When it's small fringe parties it's always interesting to see them struggle when they actually get any power, when they can no longer just sit back and criticize those in power and have to figure stuff out.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 12:42 pm
So uninterested he had to start a thread about it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 01:41 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:
When it's small fringe parties it's always interesting to see them struggle when they actually get any power, when they can no longer just sit back and criticize those in power and have to figure stuff out.
The Greens started here in Germany in the 70's, with good ideas but no real political program.
They became a "full" politcal party in 1980, got their first members in the federal parliament in 1983, have been in coalition governments on stae level since 1985 and between 1998 and 2005 a coalition partner of the Social Democrats in the federal government.

You can get a good picture of how they do in politics - with left and conservative partners.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2016 03:54 am
In Look Who's Back by Timur Vermes the Greens are the only party Hitler has any time for.

farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2016 04:53 am
@izzythepush,
over here, the greens are steadfastly against anything that deals with fossil fuel extractions. Rather than working toward a smart transition toward a clean energy fduture with a maximal use of shale gas and some biofuels, they want to go "green" NOW. That shows a complete ignorance of ho w the international market will direct energy development. The hubbert principles are still correct. We can take this time given the planet, to plan for and design green energy dfuture. This is best accomplished by having a relatively pollution free "bridge technology" that affords us the time to invent and plan.
Seems like, with a few exceptions, we go from one crisis to another and thise lessons of hitory are lost on folks like the greens. I would like to see us trnsition away from direct coal extraction and go to gasification, where coal can still be a clean "bridge fuel" and nations that are pollution factories , like India, china, Indonesia etc, can upgrade their energy pools while still being the world's parts makers.



izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2016 05:01 am
@farmerman,
Over here they have 1 MP.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2016 05:08 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
...clean energy fduture with a maximal use of shale gas and some biofuels, they want to go "green" NOW.
The us of shale gas has nothing to do with The Greens here: the majority of Germans doesn't want it, especially the more conservative, those who love nature ... (The opposition is strongest in the mainly conservative parts of the country [but only, because fracking could be done there best Wink ])
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2016 06:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
In the US fracking frst started as a typical cowboy industry. Many state governmnts made really swetheart deals in favor of letting the drillers get what they want. Pa hs been especially fracking friendly nd its only now that the industry is being roped into doing "Whats right"
Im in favor of exploitation of resources in an environmentally savvy means. The jobs created not only benefit frqckers but also the science and engineering community who designs and builds the controls and safe gurds.

Being dead set against it just gives more time to irtier extractive techniques like peat nd cannel,, aof coaling coke, oil tr, and secondary extraction with no controls.

My state has 1.3 of all its 84000 miles of rivers that are all dead xones. Due, entirely to past coal mining . We re faced with huge bills to restore streams to normal phs (we hve entire rivers with a pH of 2 (Thats like concentrated acetic acid )

The greens over here are silent about ongoing energy while they demonstrate agains fracking.

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Their views on private proprty rights goes against my views also. When a movement becomes too Socialist for me, theres nothing I want of its legacy.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2016 06:47 am
@farmerman,
"private property rights" are are constitutional rights here - it would be the automatic death of any political party to be against them.
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