Tartar, What I remember most about all of Bushie's speech are his use of the words "my administration." c.i.
Tartarin
That's VERY interesting indeed.
Quick note re Gore...David Suzuki, a very bright local biologist and tireless environmental campaigner, met and talked extensively with Gore and came away extremely impressed. It was a judgement to which I gave high credence.
Didn't I used to know David Suzuki? Didn't he have a TV program or something? Yes, my friend, a stellar, interesting person (and who died in a famous, horrible incident, and would probably just as soon not have seen this administration!), was a very bright, very acerbic intellectual who didn't hand out compliments often. So I was impressed with her quite detailed assessment of Gore. But how can we forgive Gore that campaign?!
Yes, he did have a tv show, mainly science related, but I can't recall the title of it. (By the way ci, as a child, he was interned here in BC along with the other folks of Japanese descent).
The campaign...my response is the same as what Woody Allen claimed his analyst gave him when the analyst went away on summer holiday, a tape recording sympathetically voicing "I know...I know"
I believe David Susuki's PBS show was "Connections." The meeting would have bearing on this point of discussion if it had taken place in the last ten or so years. Otherwise, I will continue to wonder just what the exposure to the White House as VP did to Gore.
Tart, the very sad and disgusting aspect of Iraq-as-Vietnam would be the time line. From the Geneva conventions in the Eisenhower administration to the Gulf of Tonkin resolution was longer than ten years. Even if one were to see the parallel as being from the assassination of Diem to the Tonkin resolution, that's still enough time for the Shrub to get reelected before serious, no-way-out military disaster would set in. If such is the case, the depth of U.S. involvement in a hopeless middle eastern situation will have reached the "deeply enmired" level before anything like a non- or less-venal administration is in place to make the attempt to extract the nation without simply abandoning the region to chaos. As far as concerns Iran, i currently like to think the Congress won't fall for this clown's tissue of lies a second time--have the courtesy not to disabuse me of that belief until it's painfully obvious, 'k?
By the way, i started a thread about the nation being sucked in in Iraq, a la Vietnam, although that wasn't the specific thrust--just that we'd been lead into biting off more than we can chew. PDiddie started a similar thread, his "Quagmire" thread, shortly thereafter. They neither of them have gotten much attention. Our god-bless-America-and-the-President crowd here haven't shown up to do their typical ranting and sneering in either thread--perhaps the subject makes them too uncomfortable?
Quote:Our god-bless-America-and-the-President crowd here haven't shown up to do their typical ranting and sneering
Hey! I resemble that remark!!!
We thought we would leave the ranting and sneering to professionals.
You're so much better at it than we are!! :wink:
No, the Connections was something else altogether, says she pridefully, having played a minor role in its development.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316116726/104-0216893-0328715
(edited to provide link)
Tartarin
Were you associated with the Burke show?
LW...the meeting between Suzuki and Gore occured near the beginning of Gore's campaign.
http://www.cbc.ca/onair/personalities/natureofthings/suzuki.html
It's a funny story, Blatham, but better told off-line. In a word, yes, informally, at my house, lotta wine, ENDLESS conversation... I still think his formulation of that series was brilliant. He was a perfect example of Oxbridge, fast-talking, deeply educated, funny, creative, and a math teacher at a school in the SE.
Tartarin
That was an INCREDIBLE series! Science/history education as good as it gets. I have a zillion favorite little bits he did in the series, but one I'll quickly mention was his explication of the Genesis flood account...he's standing in some relevant locale...full body shot...recounting how the waters rose and all the animals of the world (other than those pre-arked) drowned...he turns and walks off camera...two second pause....then just his head, at a weird angle, comes in from the side..."What about the fish?"...head disappears. I'm very much a Burke fan. Do do do fill me in when you get a moment.
I wish I knew the series better. I was still living in the boonies overseas when it was shown here (and in Britain) and only saw repeats and I guess later editions in bits and pieces when I came back to the US. The reason I got involved -- well serendipity too, of course -- was because our minds worked the same way. We could bounce ideas off each other -- two engrossed, fast-talking types jumping from idea to idea. I'm damn sure I was far from having been the only backboard for his creativity. But he was also someone who was able to put it together -- quit talking and develop a script. Off camera, in real life, he was scatty, fast-moving, twitchy. On camera, he seemed be much smoother, a real actor, able to move right, turn his head at the right angle, etc. Ever been on TV? One of the greater embarrassments of my life. Some of us (Burke) are made for TV; others look like complete idiots...!
Tartarin
The series may well be available for rental. I had it all on tape at one point, but I think some schmuck taped over it. I'll check, just in case. Truly wish I had been there with you two and the bottle of scotch. Yes, I did one TV thing. I'd been asked to give a little talk at a 20th graduation reunion (odd, as I hadn't graduated at all, actually had been expelled) and a local TV producer grabbed me after and said 'You gotta gotta do standup', then he set that up for broadcast and I got to see myself die in front of the entire population of British Columbia. My life has been a series of shamings.
Sounds like my experience! Awful face (I thought I was reasonably human looking); goofy wide-eyed hesitations as I "notice" the camera; ghastly forced smile; mouth delivering meaningless, high-pitched responses to interviewer. Etc. Etc. My life has been a series of shamings, too, and I usually think of them all when I'm lying naked in the bathtub. Facing oneself! UGH!
David Suzuki's credentials:
http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~alistair/z/faculty/suzuki.html
He was the host of The Nature Connection, not Connections. That he was impressed and believed Gore at the beginning of the campaign, the conservation connection was quickly lost in the shuffle in the actual campaign. Gore was obviously advised that it was a cold issue as there was no real "I'd rather be right than President" evident in the campaign.
At least, not for me. I just considered him the lesser of two evils (how many times have the voters been given this dilemma?)
LW, easier to count the times there were distinct winners - 1, and this person didn't even win.
I find it interesting how Bush talks about revisionist historians over current subject matter while using a term that reflects Republican donings past and current. More of you're speech sh*t Tartarin! Bush is the grossest, most vile and evil man ever to walk the earth.
