blatham
As to the sources they were given when asked and poking fun, as you say is your perogative, However "
Quote:You really ought to get clear on how logically fallacious this is, au, and not trouble us again with it."
Is an attempt at censorship.In addition your attitude seems to be "I am right and if your opinion differs you are wrong". Rather like the Bush doctrine of "my way or the highway" Whether I agree with all that was written in the articles or not is irrelevant they are germaine to the discussion and deserved to be included.
Quote:You seem to be on a little right wing kick this morning. Second thread visited with a quotation from unnamed writer and publication, both doing the 'rah rah for the great red, white and blue!' thing.
Who should American's do the 'rah rah' thing for the Maple leaf. That I will leave to you. And yes the "red, white and blue thing that you choose to denigrate is the great.
Critical analysis of our past foreign policy should not be termed "anti-American." The idea that America can't be criticized is just what this administration wants. They deserve and need criticism...they are not getting enough of it in our press.
Vietnamnurse
Criticism is fine however to infer that it is wrong to post two articles in support of the Bush position as being right wing and therefore not allowable is to me very offensive.
Au, I wouldn't forgive you everything, but I'd forgive you a lot if you'd just give us clear links to the material you post.
Tartarin
Since I posted the articles in their entirety I did not see a need for posting the link. When asked I did note where it came from and who wrote them. Why that matters I don't understand. I've always thought the content was important not the newspaper it was found in. As for as the political leaning and bias of the writer that can easily be judged by the content. However, anything to keep you happy.
Arianna Huffington on polls -- especially polls on Bush and war:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0507-03.htm
Au -- I think it's important to be able to go back and see the source. It's a courtesy and would be appreciated.
au
Sources and authors ought always to be included with a quote, I think even in private letters, but certainly in a public forum or publication. It's a matter of propriety (acknowledging the author and source) and a matter of exactness (the reader can verify passage and context). I doubt there is a single analytical book in my library without thorough footnotes and acknowledgements, and my experience has taught me that books lacking them are bound to be careless with the truth (though the presence of them is no guarantee, of course).
Your notion that I'm attempting to censor you is mistaken. What I"m doing is arguing my views by pointing to the aspects of your two quotes which make them suspect (bias, logical failings). Please continue to post whatever you think you ought to post. But be prepared to have them countered.
As to me, a Canadian, criticizing the US...I'll make you a deal. Write your president and have him tell his Drug Czar (and assistant) that they really have no business criticizing Canadian drug policy (not to mention, visiting us three times in nearly as many months to warn us there may be economic consequences if we act as a sovereign nation in this matter). In that same letter, you might suggest that if Canada, in its sovereign wisdom, concludes that the US is mistaken in its decision to inititate a pre-emptive war, that such a disagreement ought not to be followed by more threats of economic consequences. Toss in too, if you like, the recent visit from a Homeland Security fellow who told us we ought to change our ways because we are too concerned here with privacy and civil rights. And if there's room left on the page, perhaps add in that when trade negotiators from the administration come up to talk with our government about purchasing weapons systems from US corporations, that it is a tad presumptuous of them to suggest we ought to cut our social programs so as to afford these shiny weapons.
When the US gets its nose out of here (and the rest of the planet), I'll have no further reason to stick my nose in where the US is doing its thing. Deal?
Huge audience out here applauding, Blatham!
Borrowed from elsewhere.
Dear Abby,
I am a drug dealer in NJ who has recently been diagnosed with HIV. My parents live in the suburbs of PA and one of my sisters is married to a transvestite.
My father and mother have been arrested for growing and selling marijuana and are currently dependent on my other two sisters who are prostitutes in NJ.
I have 2 brothers - one is currently serving a non-parole life sentence in Attica for murder. The other brother is being held in the Wellington Remand Center on charges of sexual misconduct with minors.
Here is my dilemma -- recently I became engaged to a former Thai prostitute who lives in the Bronx ---
I love my fiancee and look forward to bringing her into the family. I want to be totally honest with her --- soooo ---
Should I tell her about my distant cousin who is a Republican?
Plant Workers Say Bush Speech Will Cost Them
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE New York Times
President Bush plans to speak at an Omaha plastics factory today to sell his message that his tax cut plan will put money in workers' pockets. But some workers at the factory, Airlite Plastics, are complaining that Mr. Bush's speech will have the opposite effect.
They are unhappy because Airlite's chief executive, Brad Crosby, has announced that more than 300 hourly workers might lose all or part of a day's pay unless they work next Saturday to offset the time lost when the plant closes for the speech.
An Airlite spokesman said in a telephone interview last night that most workers would be given four options when the plant is partly closed for one and a half shifts during the speech: They can take an official day off whether or not they attend the speech and make up the work on Saturday to receive full pay. They can use a paid vacation day. They can work their regular shift in part of the plant that will remain open. Or they can take an unpaid day off.
Bits and pieces of overheard reports during the past 24 hours:
1. Halliburton is working hard to get the Iraqi oil fields pumping double or more what they've been pumping, aiming for a (as whoever said this, put it) pre-October (04) surprise of our gas prices dipping under $1.
2. Same person said we are at the very beginning of another somewhat unpredictable tech bubble which will help the market spike but which will have little or no effect on the underlying economy. The market spike will be sold to the credulous as a benefit of the tax cuts, though of course the tax cuts couldn't have as immediate an effect.
3. I remember when there was a major gefuffle here in TX when the outgoing governor's papers, instead of being lodged with the State and made available to the public, were whisked off to the Bush Sr. presidential library at Texas A&M where they are available but only selectively. Now it is said that Jr.'s National Guard documents are in those files and that's why it has been impossible to get full documentation from the National Guard itself.
4. In the rush and bustle post-9/11, all the files from the Florida flight school were put into UHaul trucks and taken to an Air Force plane and flown to DC, accompanied by Jeb Bush. The dox are not available. Employees at the flight school said they would show that the alleged hi-jackers who attended that school did not pass flight training, couldn't even handle a Cessna.
Best memory has it that the first two points were made by an economist on one of those weekend market review programs, and the third and fourth on conspiracy radio. I was in TX when the removal of executive documents made a huge stir; and if you browse Google, you'll see sources -- some reliable and some weird -- about taking the flight school dox out of Florida.
The 'Popular Wartime President' has pretty crummy re-elect numbers:
Quote:So far, many voters have not yet made up their mind who to vote for in 2004. 34 percent of registered voters say they would vote for President Bush over an unnamed Democratic challenger, 21 percent say they would vote for a Democratic challenger and 42 percent of voters don't yet know for whom they would vote.
Other extremely interesting numbers:
Providing healthcare (81%) more important than a tax cut (14%)
58% say the economy is worse that two years ago (better: 13%, same: 28%)
57% say Big Business has too much influence on the Bush Administration
35% job approval rating for Congress
CBS poll
President Bush will run and will win in 2004. However, the Vice President's health is of concern. Perhaps, President Bush should seek out another candidate for the VP post.
Interest NYTimes article, Au. I am surprised that the administration's numbers are as low as they are after the "war." And considering the extent to which the admin's image gets an assist from the media. Put Adam Nagourney's (one of my favorites) article together with the incredible piece by Massy in the NYRB, and you've got a situation in which the support for the administration depends on (unreliable) network bias and hype which increasingly numbers of Americans (including Bush supporters, I've noted) are laughing at and dismissing (see the reaction to the photo-op on the carrier). The Dems have a lot of work to do, but the way is clearer...
Tartarin said:
4. In the rush and bustle post-9/11, all the files from the Florida flight school were put into UHaul trucks and taken to an Air Force plane and flown to DC, accompanied by Jeb Bush. The dox are not available. Employees at the flight school said they would show that the alleged hi-jackers who attended that school did not pass flight training, couldn't even handle a Cessna.
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So, what do you think? The terrorists that hijacked the planes didn't actually hijack the plane... Perhaps the whole thing was orchestrated and perpetrated by ....Karl Rove? The US answer to James Bond. What a busy, ingenious and very energetic guy!
Or...
maybe the hijackers didn't pass because they never showed any interest in take off or landing--just steering. Not nearly as colorful as the crazy conspiracy theories, but alot more rational.
But the point is, Sofia, no matter what your fantasies are, more relevant documents are kept from public eye.
Interestingly, Karl Rove HAS compared himself to Bond, jokingly, but in connection with a dirty trick during a campaign in Texas.
Alot is not a word.
Tartar, "Alot" is a word for us ignorant ones.
c.i.
