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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
wolf
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 02:56 pm
http://www.moveon.org/pac/newpres/

Do not give them the chance to rig elections. Become a responsible citizen!
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 02:59 pm
Thanks, Wolf. I think I promised ?Lola? to post that link and never did. Meanwhile, the latest National Press Club program on Patriot Act II is said to be a doozy. Listen on line this evening at 7 EDT.

America & the Courts
Asst. Atty. Gen. Viet Dinh addresses the ABA on how the USA Patriot Act has aided law enforcement in fighting terrorism
ON C-SPAN, SATURDAY AT 7PM
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 03:02 pm
Be a responsible citizen by registering, knowing where you are supposed to vote and reading the instructions on how to vote when you get there.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 03:10 pm
Thanks, wolf, I'm signing up immediately and telling all my friends.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 03:21 pm
Somebody hand me a cup of coffee, please. Brain is idling. That's the ABA program on Patriot Act II, not the Nat'l Press Club.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 08:50 am
The only way to beat Bush in 2004 is to take the battle right to him and not hesitate to attack on the grounds that conventional wisdom says are his strong points: leadership and foreign policy. He obviously is VERY weak on economic issues. But for a lot of people, especially in the media, the idea that he is a strong leader and has a good foreign policy have become givens. Many who cover him allow the assumption that these characteristics are true to permeate their stories on the guy.

The Democrats need to spend the next two years hammering the guy constantly on every aspect of his alleged superiority on these two issues. Attacks cannot come piecemeal every now and then. It must be uncompromising in its ferocity every single day from now until election day.

Think of it as "shock and awe." (Believe me, the Repubs will be doing this to the eventual nominee because they are already doing it to the candidates.)

Every time the assumption is made that Bush IS good at being a leader or IS good at foreign policy--that assumption must be challenged vigorously and repeatedly.

Democrats must not give ground on this matter.

George W. Bush has one of the biggest political glass jaws that this world has ever seen. All that is needed is for people to be brave enough to take a swing at it.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 08:56 am
I think you're exactly right, PDiddie. I think Dean is onto this, don't you?
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 11:35 am
I'm trying to wrap my mind around the very real probability that we're going to have 4 more years of shrub. I'll resist, and vote for the democrat who gets the nomination, but I can't ignore the writing on the wall.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 12:23 pm
Snood -- What do you think would be the most effective way to stop him?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 12:38 pm
I'm sorta leaning on this with snood; it just doesn't look good right now to replace GWBush in 2004. I'm both mystified and dumified by the support shrub gets from the American people. I'm clearly not in the majority of Americans that thinks shrub is doing a good job. It seems evident to me that most Americans do not care what justification this administration uses for going to war with Iraq, nor how our economy is crawling in the basement. Over 2 million jobs lost in 2001, and most Americans doesn't seem to mind. What gives? I'm lost. c.i.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 01:01 pm
IMO,
It has to do with the same mentality that got Reagan in for 2 terms, and the first Bush in.
There is a desire by a very large part of the population to get things "back to the way it was". The way what was? Well, that's harder to put my finger on. From what I've heard in the past, and continue to hear, alot of people(yes - this group is characterized by white males) think Bush is "one of them", and he "understands the common man". Beyond that, there is a not so subtle desire to return to values and mores of the past. One commentator (I think it was Roselyn Carter) said that Reagan made it easy for white people to be "comfortable with their prejudices". I think bush gives the same kind of comfort. He is a "uniter", so he says, but he makes sure he never does anything to offend the backbone of his constituency - those white men - alot of them Southern - who think Bob Jones University is just a great old fashioned bastion of "conservatism".
Bush is reassuring to those people who think the US is being overrun by "multiculturalism" and "gay rights" and other blights. Just a good ole boy, y'know?
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 01:21 pm
Agree, Snood, and in fact was saying pretty much the same thing in another discussion just now: it's all about patriarchy, something which many women also yearn to return to (out of laziness, I think, and fear). But it's certainly plenty evident in my (our) neck of the woods -- these damn "rights" just complicate everyone's lives. Thus the lack of interest in "all this talk about civil liberties" (= civil rights, and you know what civil rights are -- just letting others get their foot in the door...).
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 04:11 pm
http://www.bartcop.com/democ_boring.jpg
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 04:25 pm
Speaking of boring democracy, did you hear Bush make the statement that he's ready to go with any form of government in Iraq, as long as it's democracy?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 04:38 pm
I think he makes the point quite well.

Henry Ford used to say "You can have any color you want, as long as it's black".
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 05:02 pm
cjhsa wrote:
I think he makes the point quite well.

Henry Ford used to say "You can have any color you want, as long as it's black".


Has Bush done anything you haven't liked, cjhsa?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 07:38 pm
Quote:
The White House made a number of recess appointments last week as Congress fled for spring break. One was April H. Foley, a "homemaker," according to campaign contribution disclosure documents, from South Salem, N.Y. She was named to the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank. The appointment is good until Congress adjourns next year.

So why a homemaker for this job? Well, "early in her career," the White House announcement says, she was director of business planning for corporate strategy with PepsiCo Inc. and director of strategy for Reader's Digest Association. More recently, she was president of the United Way of Northern Westchester County, N.Y. Not all of it, just the northern part.

Still not locked in on the merits? Did we mention she used to date George W. Bush when both were at Harvard Business School and has remained friends with him?


WP/Kamen (scroll to bottom)
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 08:02 pm
at least Ford delivered black.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2003 09:35 pm
Quote:
Spooked
By FREDRIC ALAN MAXWELL
The whole strange thing began nearly two years ago, when an acquaintance e-mailed me, wondering why the Secret Service had contacted him to ask if he thought I was a threat to George W. Bush. Me? A pretzel is more of a threat to Bush than I am. At the time, I was writing an unauthorized biography of Microsoft's C.E.O., Steve Ballmer. I fully expected the Beast from Redmond to keep tabs on me -- which, of course, it did and which, of course, Ballmer publicly denied -- but the Secret Service?
Private investigators have been known to intimate that they're with the government, so I called the Secret Service's Seattle office to report that someone might be impersonating one of their agents. No, the officer responded, they had wanted to contact me for the past eight months but couldn't find me. Weird -- my name and number were in the Seattle phone book. I went to their office to find out what was going on.
After a couple of pat-down searches, I sat in a small room with the good cop, Steve, and the bad cop, whom I'll call Cruella. Steve said they had received a report that, on Oct. 12, 2000, I was overheard in a D.C. bar saying, ''I have friends in the C.I.A. who will make sure Bush doesn't enter the White House.'' I responded that except for the facts that I don't have any friends in the C.I.A. (that I know of) and that I've never thought, let alone said, something like that, I was in Philadelphia that day. [...]
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/27/magazine/27LIVES.html?pagewanted=print&position=
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 12:56 am
Tartarin

How much do you think they've got on you and me?
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