Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

Sure it is, Snood. It's just hard to be objective when it comes to yourself. Let's all take a few moments of submissive humility and do a group think about the next year and few months. And let's think positive. We're gonna wup this administration's a$s (keepin it clean here.) Now let's all hold hands and stand in a circle, just like we did in the 60s and let's sing, We Shall Over Come.

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I'll hold hands with you anytime, Lola... Embarrassed

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Very sweet, Snood. Don't be embarrassed, it's only natural..... :wink:

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Here's a DNC membership letter I received tonight on email. I've removed the solicitation parts so I won't be spreading spam. But I thought it was a good taste of the kind of campaign the Democrats will run. I love James Carville

Dear John Doe,

These people are playing for keeps.

I don't need to tell you -- Republicans have a record they should be afraid to run on. They've wrecked the economy. Faster than you can say "tax breaks for the wealthy," they've turned huge budget surpluses into historic budget deficits. They've sat on their hands as American families have watched billions of dollars vanish from their hard-earned savings and retirement accounts.

Since George W. Bush started mismanaging our economy over two million Americans have lost their jobs.

Worst of all, they lie.

They craft a plan to let polluters off the hook and call it their "Clear Skies" initiative. They clear the way for timber companies to destroy our public lands and call it their "Healthy Forests" plan. They say we can't pass our problems on to the next generation, then they create budget deficits that pour red ink all over our children's futures. They talk about racial equality, then they appoint judges with abysmal records on civil rights.

In 2002, they even went so far as to defeat Senator Max Cleland, a decorated Vietnam veteran who lost his limbs in the war, by challenging his patriotism. Then, they appointed Ralph Reed, the former Christian Coalition leader who crafted the vicious campaign against Cleland, to play a major role in the President's re-election campaign.

Need any more clues as to what kind of campaign they're planning to run?

Let's stick it to these guys. Like Harry Truman said, we won't give 'em hell. We'll just tell the truth and it will feel like hell.

What do you say? Let's roll up our sleeves and go to work.

Sincerely,

James Carville

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If somebody's lying, this link is also lying. According to this article, over 2 million lost their jobs in 2001. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/jobs-j05.shtml
c.i.

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on this mornings news: 27 states now running deficits amounting to 23 billion dollars-initial budget cuts target schools, medical care and government services. states project greater deficits over next 3 years. Bush, yesterday, says we need bigger tax cuts in order to increase demand for services/products. (the tax cuts go to the richest who are unlikely to increase consumption) previous Bush justification for tax cuts was increased investments. Justification seems to be in the same logical abyss as WoMD (by the way Bush now says its unlikely we will find Iraq WoMD as they are hidden-if you remember he had solid intelligence as to what and where for the WoMD.

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dys, That 23 billion figure can't be right. California, all by it's lonesome, has a dificit approaching 35 billion. c.i.

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c.i., please explain how you plan to pin the entire CA deficit on Bush. I'm sure Davis had nothing to do with it, IYO. Not that he's subject of a recall or anything.

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Cicerone -- How much of the CA deficit is due to the energy crisis promoted by Bush-related energy companies? And blamed on the state?

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c.i. what was reported was that California was "to date" 8 billion, not the budget year

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cjh, Just where did I blame Bush for the CA deficit? Davis deserves to take the blame for most of this deficit, because he was responsible for long term energy contracts that cost the state over 4 billion dollars. He hid the overall difict from the voters during the last election - a form of fraud in my books. We're now hearing about a recall, but that'll never happen. As for the total deficit of the state or federal, it's the economy............. c.i.

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Wow, I think I ticked off ci 6x worse than I intended to... Wink

Fact is, CA has a state government heavily leaned to the left. Their long term budgets prepared in the 1990's, to the chagrin of the few conservatives in the state legislature, were based upon projections based on the Internet economic bubble.

The second thing that bit CA in the ass was the fact that for years environmentalists and NIMBYs blocked the construction of new gas fired and hydroelectric power plants. The power companies saw this as a way of stringing CA out for a ride, and they did, however illegally, and CA had no way of protecting itself. The result, a series of long term, closed meeting, contracts signed by Davis to keep the power flowing at substantial deficits.

That said, I still think Bush needs to do more to pump up the economy on the west coast, because as goes CA, so goes the rest of the country.

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In reference to the printed DNC propaganda letter:

I thought liberals were supposed to be the more intelligent party.
For God's sake, please say you don't take every utterance out of the mouth of that deranged lunatic, James Carville, at face value.

Don't you question the motives or veracity of people like James Carville? Believing a person or a group is either all bad or all good is a major criteria of Borderline Personality Disorder. Only the severely mentally misaligned believe it.

Don't let Carville make a fool of you.
..."worst of all, they lie...."
Laughing

I'm sure the Dems know nothing of this phenomena: the lie.

They tried pretty valiantly, by brainwashing limited people with their letters, to change the truth about the tax cuts. "For the wealthy". BS. It was for everyone, including the wealthy.

Watch out for the Dems. They lie. :wink:

muahahahahaha.

Seriously, it is dangerous to believe that either party has a lock on honesty. You can always tell the reasonable people on boards like this. They question both parties. I wouldn't display that I was actively seeking the spoon-fed rhetoric and talking points of either political party, if wanted to be taken seriously in political debate.

No personal insult intended.

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Seriously, it is dangerous to believe that either party has a lock on honesty. You can always tell the reasonable people on boards like this. They question both parties. I wouldn't display that I was actively seeking the spoon-fed rhetoric and talking points of either political party, if wanted to be taken seriously in political debate.

Yup - impartiality. That's what you bring to mind, Sofia.

Yup - yessirree. Absolutely.

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snood, dear.
I have taken it upon myself to give you evidence each time you take a general comment and make it personal, which you do often.

Here you have done it, again.

I was referring to a member's posting of a form letter from the DNC, which was signed by James Carville.

Since I am not on a DNC or RNC mailing list, and since I do not buy into or agree with everything put forth by either party, I am impartial, though my beliefs differ from yours. I should be able to share my comments, without you taking a personalized swipe at me for doing so.

Quoting snood, as suggested to me: Address the topic. Cool

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Sofia states things forcefully, this does not translate into a closed mind.

I'm tired of those with strong opinions being accused of not being capable of considering differing opinions on their own merit. It seems that the irony of arbitrarily deciding that someone else is close minded and not open to ideas is lost on the accusers.

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cjh, Not ticked at all; just trying to get a response on your accusation. Wink

c.i.

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Lola wrote:

Here's a DNC membership letter I received tonight on email. I've removed the solicitation parts so I won't be spreading spam. But I thought it was a good taste of the kind of campaign the Democrats will run. I love James Carville

Sofia,

No personal insult taken. But I think your strong reaction is unwarranted and represents a straw man. If you'll observe above, I posted the letter as an example of what the Democrats are working on for the campaign. I said nothing about any party being all good or all bad. In spite of the fact that many of my friends accuse me of severe character pathology, my analyst and I both are convinced that I'm functioning at a reasonable level given I started out as a psychopath.

Please don't get all flustered about things you assume without asking questions first. It's generally not a good idea. I do happen to love James Carville because I think he has such a pleasing and easy going personality. And because he doesn't generally put up with any bull sh!t. And I'll be a fool gladly any day with James Carville. But if you don't like him, that's fine with me. All the more of James for me...that's how I see it.

I also haven't mentioned anything about the honesty of either party. But since you bring it up I'll comment now. I noticed that you make mention of the fact the the Dems lie, but you fail to give the balanced view that both parties resort to this tactic regularly for the purpose of winning the election. It's not who is lying but how well the lie works that generally counts in this country. It's too bad we have to resort to half truths and deception to win an election around here. But it seems to be sound bites that make the impression and carry the influence. Oh, if only the general population would only be logical thinkers like you and I.

I would seriously hate it if you didn't take me seriously, Sofia. I hope you'll remember to ask me what I mean by what I say before making so many false assumptions.

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Craven,

I believe you may want to apply your standard on everyone equally here. I state things strongly too, you know.

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