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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 07:04 pm
Anybody hear any more about those overcharges by Haliburton in Iraq for oil delivery and food service to our military?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 07:06 pm
Josh Marshallhas another hilarious take on those Bush ads:

Quote:
If you look at the TV ads the president just unveiled today, you quickly see a main -- probably the main -- theme of his reelection campaign: it's not my fault.

"Yes, there are all sort of bad things going on. The economy's been rough. The deficit is deepening. Job growth is barely registering. There's all sorts of chaos on the international stage. But it's not my fault. When I got here there was a recession already, which I didn't have anything to do with. That was Clinton's fault. And the same with all the corporate scandals. And then Osama bin Laden got involved and that wasn't my fault either. And that Iraq thing didn't completely work out. But that's the CIA's fault. So if there's anything that's bad now it's not because of anything I did. It's because of 9/11. And if it's not because of 9/11 then it was already broken when I got here. So don't blame me."

Now, I think that pretty much sums up what the president and the White House are telling the public. But it's important to draw back and recognize that up until this point that argument has largely worked. Now, however, I think people are beginning to question the argument.

By most objective measures, economic and international indicators of national well-being have been fair to bad for most of George Bush's term of office. But for much of that time we were in either the immediate aftermath of 9/11, building up to war, or in the aftermath of war.

If you were to plop down in late 1943, for instance, you could point to all sorts of negative signs -- rising deficits, crises abroad, etc. But Franklin Roosevelt would have said, quite plausibly, that we'd been attacked at Pearl Harbor, we were fighting a two front war across two oceans, and that things might well get worse before they got better.

Now, I don't think that's a remotely reasonably analogy. But it is the argument the Bush White House has been making for some two years. And it's had a lot of success with it. Everything that's bad has been framed as fallout from 9/11 or our response to 9/11.

What we're seeing now is that these two things -- 9/11 and the current state of the country -- are coming unhinged in the public mind. If they stay unhinged, President Bush looks less like a 'war president' than a president who just won't take responsibility for anything that happens on his watch.

Thus the new ads, the message of which might fairly be summed up as "It's midnight in America. But if the Democrats were in, the sun might never come up!"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 08:00 pm
Too bad Harry Truman didn't leave that 'famous' sign on his desk. Wink
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 11:06 pm
Maybe Bush should actually use those "I never had a second chance" bits that Whitehouse.org cooked up for him. Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 10:23 am
My wife told me something very interesting yesterday. She said that George W Bush "created" the inverted bell curve. For those of you that knows what the bell curve is, I'll let you explain it. However, what GWBush has done is that there is no middle on his inverted bell curve. only the two sides that divides this country - and the world. People love him or hate him, and there's no middle: For this president that said "I'm a uniter, not a divider." Political science will need to introduce this new concept.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 10:24 am
Bill Maher was merciless last night on Larry King. King tried to whore for the Misadministration, but Maher shot him down.

Some excerpts from the transcript:


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KING: This going to be a very rough election, do you think, very tough? I mean, close and hard-fought and all the rest?

MAHER: I've never known one that wasn't, but especially when the Bush family is involved -- I know they're all about the honor and integrity, Larry, but somehow, when it comes down to election time, I've never known a family that got more into the gutter, whether it was what they did to John McCain in the year 2000, accusing him of everything from being pro-breast cancer to fathering a black baby, or obviously, the campaign that George Bush's father ran in '88 against Dukakis, which was all about Willie Horton and the Pledge of Allegiance. You already see some of the wedge issues that they're trying to get up on the board for their team -- gay marriage...


and this gem:

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...because all of the love that Democrats have for John Kerry is really hate for George Bush. I hate to put it that way, but it's true. I mean, Kerry love is Bush hate. I don't think the American public is terribly quick, but I will give them credit for this: It took them about three years to catch up to George Bush, but they finally did. About half of this country really has caught on that this is not a president who really should be defined by honor and integrity. I'm not saying he's a lot worse than other people we've had. But honor and integrity? I don't think so. Honesty? I don't think so. I think he's an extremely selfish president who's using every bit of the treasury to get re-elected.

I laugh when people say he's got a $200 million war chest. Are you kidding? He's got a $2 trillion war chest. He's using every penny in the treasury to get elected, to hand out money to farm subsidies, to buy off votes with any kind of pork he can think of, the Medicare entitlement bill. That's selfish. People are kind of onto that, and I think they think he's way too bought off by corporations. And I think they realize that he tells a bigger lie than Bill Clinton did about things that were important. Iraq -- perfect example. I'm not really against the whole idea, as we have discussed, but if he had just been honest about Iraq, if he had just said, Look, it's a Texas thing.

KING: Well, but maybe he had the wrong information.

MAHER: It's a Texas thing. They tried to get my daddy, and I got to get them. Has nothing to do with 9/11.


Go read the whole thing at cnn.com/larry
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 10:46 am
See Dick Run
March 4, 2004
By MAUREEN DOWD

WASHINGTON

You've got to admire the Bush re-election ads being rolled
out today. With up to $60 million to spend by convention
time, the campaign is plotting the most expensive political
advertising seduction in history, and you can see the money
on the screen.

In scary/gauzy images, the president does his best to shift
the blame, take the credit and transmit concern about
regular folks - waitresses, welders, firefighters, black
children, black seniors, middle-class families - when he
really spends more time helping his fat-cat corporate
friends.

Mr. Bush continues to imply that we should be scared
because we're not safe, so we need to keep him to protect
our national security. Which seems like a weird
contradiction. If he's so good at protecting us, why aren't
we safe?

The president doesn't hesitate to exploit 9/11 in his ads,
even as he tries to keep 9/11 orphans and widows in the
dark about what really happened.

Mr. Bush's ad flashes a shot of firefighters removing some
flag-draped remains of a victim from the wreckage at ground
zero even as he prohibits the filming of flag-draped
remains of soldiers coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan.
You might call the Bush ads, an homage to Ronald Reagan's
famous ads, "Mourning in America."

Nothing like hypocrisy with high production values.

I'm
assuming that the second phase of the ad blitz will
highlight the man with the plan: Dick Cheney. The Cheney
ads could appeal to the base, featuring rich white men in
the back seats of limos, showing how hard it is to make the
tough decisions for you.

Consider the possibilities:

ON THE SCREEN The spot lingers on a shot of the vice
president's office door, closed and padlocked.

THE SCRIPT: "Big enough to tell you to butt out. Sensitive
enough to know that special interests are truly special."

ON THE SCREEN The spot opens with a tightly focused shot of
a headless pheasant, then dissolves into a shot of a big
Dick Cheney putting a miniature Antonin Scalia into the
pocket of his Elmer Fudd hunting jacket.

THE SCRIPT "Man enough to hunt with all the big dogs."

ON
THE SCREEN The spot opens with Mr. Cheney checking his
mailbox on Massachusetts Avenue to see whether he's
received his annual deferred compensation check for
$150,000 from Halliburton.

THE SCRIPT "Bighearted enough to forgive and forget
Halliburton's pesky overcharges in Iraq for oil, and food
for American troops."

ON THE SCREEN A picture of Mr. Cheney beaming at his
family.

THE SCRIPT "Strong enough to put his base above his
daughter and support a constitutional amendment against gay
marriage."

ON THE SCREEN A close-up of Mr. Cheney accepting a huge
N.R.A. check in his spider hole.

THE SCRIPT "Protective enough to safeguard the firearms
industry from liberal potshots."

ON THE SCREEN While the "Pink Panther" music plays, we see
a cartoon of the vice president, dressed in an Inspector
Clouseau trenchcoat and a false mustache, wandering the
desert with a spyglass.

THE SCRIPT "Steely enough to ignore the administration's
own intelligence on the absence of W.M.D. and an Al Qaeda
connection to Saddam. Farsighted enough to know that one of
these decades, the rocks and trash that Iraqis are throwing
at American forces will be replaced by flowers and palm
fronds."

ON THE SCREEN A doctored photo of John Kerry, his war
medals airbrushed out, canoodling with Jane Fonda at an
antiwar rally.

THE SCRIPT "After getting four student deferments himself
during Vietnam so he could attend to `other priorities,'
he's still gritty enough to paint John Kerry as a spineless
wimp on Vietnam and Iraq."

ON THE SCREEN A shot of Mr. Cheney driving the Nascar
Viagra race car.

THE SCRIPT "Audacious enough to shred the American
Constitution, even while he imposes one on Iraq."

Instead of speaking at the end to say he approved the
message, as Mr. Bush does in his, Mr. Cheney comes on at
the end of his spots with a paper bag over his head and
says, "It's none of your beeswax who approved this
message." Except in one, where a rotund man comes on and
says, "I am Ahmad Chalabi, and I approved this message."

E-mail: [email protected]


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/04/opinion/04DOWD.html?ex=1079406115&ei=1&en=351675f66e8dff4c

For general information about NYTimes.com, write to
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 11:42 am
doh http://www.thesimpsons.com/bios/images/bios_family_homer.gif
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 11:51 am
The nine-eleven survivors are very upset with Bush's ad showing the police and firemen at the twin towers site. It's a "good" beginning for the Bush campaign.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:15 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
The nine-eleven survivors are very upset with Bush's ad showing the police and firemen at the twin towers site. It's a "good" beginning for the Bush campaign.

Nonsense. SOME PARTISAN INDIVIDUALS are using the issue to attack Bush. Neither you nor they speak for "the nine-eleven survivors". The people using this issue for political gain are on the LEFT, and they sicken me. But then, neither the lows to which they will stoop nor the disgust it generates in me is anything new. It's par for the Democrat course.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:18 pm
Hey, scrat, I'm only reporting what I heard on tv. I have no personal evidence that is so. Quit prosecuting the messenger. Your full of bullshit, so quit responding to my posts.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:18 pm
Bush has used this for political gain from the gitgo, don't bullsh@t scrat! In fact - there is nothing Bush does that isn't political - he does nothing because it is right - that is the reason you are SICK!!!!!!!

Par for the neocon course........... (con comes from "Confidence Game" )
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:22 pm
BillW, you have just described EVERY politician. You don't think Bush is the only one do you?
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:23 pm
Exploiting 9-11 is non-partisan. If the democrats could use it, they would. The right can, and they do. The conservatives are the ones who are doing it right now, so they are the ones currently making me sick. The democrats would do the same f*cking thing though if they could. Neither party is immune to this kind of sickening ****.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:25 pm
True dat.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:26 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
...quit responding to my posts.

ROFLMAO! What are you going to do, cry? Get over yourself. If you don't want the public to reply, don't share your opinions in a public forum. You didn't "only <report> what I heard on tv", you editorialized by attributing the complaints to "the nine-eleven survivors". When the messenger creats the message, as you did here, he had better stand by to be held to account for it.

And if that's too harsh for you, buttercup, share your opinions in a private forum where you can control the audience. (I suspect you'll fare far better there than here.)

BillW - Up your meds, they aren't working. Shocked
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:27 pm
Scrat
Is it your contention that the widows and others involved in the 9/11 disaster that are speaking out are all partisan individuals?You my friend are as sick and demented as the creep in the White House. Shame on both of you.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:38 pm
au1929 wrote:
Scrat
Is it your contention that the widows and others involved in the 9/11 disaster that are speaking out are all partisan individuals?You my friend are as sick and demented as the creep in the White House. Shame on both of you.


Is it YOUR conetention to speak for EVERY widow and individual involved? I know plenty who would drop a nuke on every country that would even consider helping the scum that perpetrated those attacks. So don't go spouting off about how grievous this is.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:50 pm
McGentrix
I speak for no one I am just reporting what was front page news here in NY. The widows and others are speaking for themselves. I should note that if you listened to some of the talking heads on TV this AM. The ad is not being well recieved. Typical republican unfeeling trash. Willie Horton where are you?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 12:57 pm
Your not worth piss.
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