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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2004 02:35 pm
the Bush/Nader ticket
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BUSH/NADER 2004
by Sandeep Kaushik


Will the left repudiate Ralph Nader? Or does the left really want to re-elect George W. Bush?

Is Ralph Nader dumber than we thought? Could he perhaps be suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer's? He's 70, after all. You've got to wonder after reading the absurd things he's been saying since announcing on Sunday that he would run for the presidency.

Despite the fact that he cost Al Gore the 2000 election--and thus put George W. Bush into office--Nader is angrily claiming he's not a "spoiler" this year. He had the gall to tell "the liberal establishment" (whatever that is) that it should "relax and rejoice" over his candidacy, since he will draw more Republican votes than Democratic ones. Sure, Ralph, I'll relax--and ignore the fact that 45 percent of your voters said they would have voted for Gore if you hadn't been on the ballot in 2000, while only 27 percent would have voted for Bush, as the New York Times reported on Tuesday. The only charitable response to statements like these is to assume Nader is lying, because if he actually believes the crap he's saying, he needs to be institutionalized before he pulls a handgun out of his lapel pocket and starts blasting away to silence the voices in his head.

It's obvious that Nader will not do as well as he did last time, but it would be foolish to underestimate the idiocy of the disaffected lefties who flocked to him in 2000. The hard nub of the far left--you know who you are--is a province of overeducated, overintellectualized fools lacking in basic common sense. Recent history makes plain that these fools are so locked in the steel cage of their own moralizing utopian purity that they have no qualms about sacrificing the well-being of the country to preserve their own precious sense of self-righteous superiority.

Which means they see nothing wrong with throwing another election to Bush by throwing away their votes on a vainglorious spoiler. As sane readers no doubt recall, in 2000 a ridiculous amalgam of hapless hippies, clueless college professors, and fanatical activists slid so far off into la-la land that they rewarded Nader with 2.74 percent of the nationwide vote. Here in Washington State, which is a stupider place in this respect than the rest of the country, Nader got 4.1 percent of the vote. In King County, which is the stupidest part of an already stupid state, Nader took a full 4.7 percent of the overall vote.

Guess who came out on top in 2000? I'll give you a hint: His name isn't Gore. It's true that Gore was an execrable candidate who ran a wretched campaign, and so bears much of the responsibility for his (ostensible) defeat. But it's also irrefutably true that had Nader's name not been on the ballot in either Florida, where Bush was declared the victor by 537 votes (Nader received 97,488), or New Hampshire, where Bush outpolled Gore by 7,211 votes (Nader drew 22,198), the history of the last three years would have been very different. No Iraq war, no Orwellian--in name and substance--USA PATRIOT Act, no irresponsibly massive tax cuts unconscionably tilted to the wealthy. No out-of-control deficit, no right-wing judges. And no smirking, strutting faux cowboy mangling the English language on the nightly news.

Now Nader, in a fit of stubbornness, has decided to run once more. Therefore, the intelligence of the left will again be tested. Think of it as a classic rat-in-a-maze experiment in which we will learn whether lefties can learn from their past mistakes. And, we have to assume, some portion--perhaps enough to again throw the election to Bush--of those 2,882,955 holier-than-thou fools who voted for Nader in 2000 are going to fail that test. Already, a press release has landed on my desk announcing the formation of a group calling itself University of Washington Students for Nader. The group is an offshoot of an organization named Socialist Alternative and a cursory examination of its website reveals it to be a Leninist organization that calls for "an end to the rule of profit" in favor of "a socialist society to meet the needs of all." Ah, what company we are reduced to keeping these days, Ralph.

I chatted with Jeff Moore, a representative of this pro-Nader group. I found him bright, articulate, and deeply misguided. If the election is Kerry versus Bush, "all we will have is an opportunity to vote for occupation, for NAFTA, for preemptive war," Moore explained. He conceded there are differences between Democrats and Republicans, but contended those differences are outweighed by the parties' similarities. Rank-and-file Dems may lean left, he said, but their leadership in Washington, D.C., has a toehold on the far right with the Republican National Committee: Without Nader, "we're stuck with a choice between Tweedle-light and Tweedle-heavy."

Aside from the fact that Tweedle-light would be a major improvement on Tweedle-heavy, Moore misreads the Democratic Party. His criticisms would have had some merit in 2000, or even 2002, but in the sharply partisan Anybody-But-Bush atmosphere of 2004, Moore's criticism is groundless. Even the wussbags of the Democratic establishment, as craven as they have been, have started to figure out the score. These days, John Kerry is Howard Dean without the Scream.

Anyway, if obvious fringe types like Moore are all that remain of the Nader base--and in truth it is hard to imagine there is a reasonably well-adjusted liberal left in America who still believes Nader's absurd claim that there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans--then perhaps we have nothing to fear. Even the editors of the Nation, a journal of the left not always known for its pragmatism, published an open letter to Nader urging him not to run. Websites like ralphdontrun.net have been set up by repentant former Nader supporters. Nothing has better succeeded in unifying much of the left than the nakedly anti-egalitarian corporatism crossed with closed-minded Christian fanaticism that Bush is foisting on America.

And this time Nader is running without the backing of the Green Party (although it appears that those deluded hippies intend to field their own candidate). He may find it impossible to get on the ballot in anything close to the 43 states and the District of Columbia that he attained in 2000. It will take some 1,000,000 signatures to get on the ballot in every state, and I somehow doubt Socialist Alternative is going to be able to carry the freight locally or nationally.

Still, if the election turns out to be as close as pundits predict, Nader may get on enough ballots to again tip the balance. Let me make this absolutely clear to those of you who thought there was no difference between Democrats and Republicans in 2000: In 2004, there is no difference between voting for Nader and voting for Bush. A vote for Nader in 2004 = a vote for George W. Bush.

So, to all my patchouli-dabbing, potluck- attending, dope-smoking, protest-loving, rationality-avoiding friends out there in goofball Seattle: Remember, this election is a test of your mental acuity. In case you can't figure this election out by yourself: It's about beating Bush, stupid.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2004 05:59 pm
Bush already said he's keeping Cheney as his VP.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2004 06:59 pm
Quote:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2004 07:53 pm
BillW, Frankly, I don't give a damn about the 2.7 trillion deficit over the decade, because those kinds of prognostications are usually 90 percent wrong. What I am interested in is what this president keeps promising the American People - the current stuff that the tax cuts are gonna create 2.6 million jobs. THAT is what worries me the most. All that other stuff is garbage in - garbage out.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 02:35 pm
> >> >>> * A man, on his way home from work in Washington, D.C., is
>>> >stuck in traffic. He spies a police officer and asks, "what's the
>>> >hold-up?"
>>> >
>>> > The officer explains, "The President is depressed, so he is
>>> >threatening to douse himself in gasoline and set himself on fire. He
>>> >says no one believes his stories about why we went to war in Iraq, or
>>> >the connection between Saddam and al-Qa'ida, or that his tax cuts will
>>> >help anyone except his wealthy friends; the press called him on the lie
>>> >about Iraq trying to buy uranium from Niger, and now a female reporter
>>> >is threatening to sue him for a sexual harassment. So we're taking up a
>>> >collection for him."
>>> >
>>> > The man asks, "How much have you got so far?"
>>> >
>>> > The officer replies, "About 14 gallons, but a lot of folks are
>>> >still siphoning."
>>> >
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 07:55 pm
http://www.allhatnocattle.net/gw719.jpg
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 08:03 pm
PD, I love it!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 08:17 pm
PDid, I really wonder what over 15,000 dead human bodies looks like. It seems many that supports this president doesn't give a hoot; it's going to come back and bite us in the behind in the future. What goes around, comes around: I truly believe.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 10:24 pm
Do you really believe...
that many Americans care about how many Iraqis have been killed &/or maimed? I sure don't. Americans barely seem to care how many American troops have been killed &/or maimed.

If there had been no insurgents in Iraq no one would care about no WMDs or Saddam connection with Osama. The only reason Iraq is even in the headlines is due to action/explosions etc. Few care about Iraq anymore. It isn't exciting news. The Iraq situation can go on for months right up until the election and as long as there are no massive killings of Americans it will barely be an issue. Americans get bored quickly and many have ADD.

Last week it was Gay Marriage & The Passion.

This week it's Haiti. Next week?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 11:03 pm
For awhile there, it was Janet Jackson's breast.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 11:22 pm
This week it'll be "The Lord of The Rings".
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 07:53 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
PDid, I really wonder what over 15,000 dead human bodies looks like. It seems many that supports this president doesn't give a hoot; it's going to come back and bite us in the behind in the future. What goes around, comes around: I truly believe.


Hmmm.... I guess you could go and excavate one of the mass graves that Saddam's henchmen created.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 10:08 am
Would that be one of the graves he dug with US supplied dozers and Bush Sr supplied indifference, mayhaps?

and I just love my new lapel button..."ELLIOT SPITZER FOR AG"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 10:20 am
McG, The key word here is "Saddam's." That doesn't excuse GWBush's killing of over 15,000 Iraqis - for self defense. You'll probably continue to miss this important point. If he did it for the Iraqi People, that's a funny/convoluted way to kill over 15,000 of their people and say it's for them. That's probably the same reasoning used by al Qaida to kill 3,000 on American soil in NYC and Washington DC. They did it for us!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 10:25 am
The conversion.
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Credo of a conservative
From The Oregonian 02/26/04
Mark Oberzil

I am a conservative. I believe in staying solvent and out of debt.

I am a conservative. I believe in keeping my nose out of other people's business, their nations and their bedrooms.

I am a conservative. I believe in conserving our assets and our resources -- our air, our land, our water. Accordingly, I don't support or engage in wastefulness, inefficiency or lavish excesses.

I am a conservative. I think an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Therefore I support appropriate government spending on such things as infrastructure, schools, social welfare and crime prevention, because in the long run it's cheaper and more effective.

I am a conservative. I don't sign on to risky schemes. I think if you give Bob a dollar, it helps Bob, but it may not necessarily help Oscar, Fred or Maria.

I am a conservative. If I am attacked, I respond appropriately and conservatively. I do not swat mosquitoes with dynamite.

I am a conservative. I don't deal falsely or prematurely with facts.

I am a conservative. I understand the purposes of various institutions. It is the job of government to govern, the job of religion to address spiritual needs, and the job of business to secure profits by producing needed goods and services. I do not confuse these institutions.

I am a conservative. I understand my position in the world and that my opinions are not the only valid ones.

I do not have an exclusive claim on what is right, good or patriotic, and those who disagree with me are not automatically evil traitors.

What's really weird, though, is that I've always thought these things, but now everyone calls me a "liberal"!

Mark Oberzil lives in Forest Grove.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 06:04 pm
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"It was only when Poppy Bush fell behind Michael Dukakis in the summer of '88 that he made an issue of Willie Horton and the Pledge of Allegiance. It was only when George W. fell behind John McCain in the winter of 2000 that he went to Bob Jones University to align himself with the old white South. And now the president has fallen behind John Kerry. Abruptly, it is the season of doctored photos showing Kerry alongside Jane Fonda, of Internet and Murdoch-media rumor campaigns about affairs that never were. Like father, like son; like Atwater, like Rove; no one spreads sewage quite like the Bushes."


Harold Meyerson in the Wa Po
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 06:56 pm
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MoveOn.org to Counter Bush's Ad Blitz

By LIZ SIDOTI
Associated Press Writer
Published March 2, 2004

WASHINGTON -- A Democratic-leaning online group will run television commercials in 17 presidential battleground states starting Thursday to counter President Bush's multimillion-dollar advertising blitz that will begin the same day.

The MoveOn.org Voter Fund has been airing commercials assailing Bush for months in several swing states, but this $1.9 million, five-day effort will be its most far-reaching. The ads will ensure that there is a Democratic presence on the TV airwaves in key states as Bush begins to make his case for re-election.

John Kerry, the Democratic front-runner, is considering a modest response designed to put the White House on the defensive, advisers say, but the Democratic National Committee is waiting until there is a nominee before it starts running ads. That leaves outside groups like MoveOn, acting independently of the campaign, as the primary Democratic voice.

[..] Bush's campaign plans to spend a large part of its $100 million war chest on ads during spring and summer. It will begin running a positive ad about leadership Thursday on broadcast stations in 17 swing states and nationally on cable networks targeting its GOP base. The campaign is slated to spend at least $4.5 million on cable alone over the next three weeks.

In most states, MoveOn will run a new ad that takes Bush to task for his economic policies, including overtime pay and outsourcing jobs. In others, the group will run a previously released spot that shows images of children toiling on a grocery line and in a tire factory coupled with the text, "Guess who's going to pay off President Bush's $1 trillion deficit?"

Ads will run over five days at medium levels on broadcast stations in 67 media markets in Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. The television industry estimates that the average viewer in each media market would see a MoveOn spot about five times during the group's ad run. [..]
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 09:08 pm
Here's something elsefor Bush to run on:

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More than 2,400 employers across the country reported laying off 50 or more workers in January, the third-highest number of so-called mass layoffs since the government became tracking them a decade ago.
Only in December 2000 and December 2002 were the number of large layoffs higher. A total of 239,454 workers lost their jobs in the January layoffs, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported yesterday, based on unemployment insurance claims filed with state employment agencies. Among them were 17,544 temporary workers.


The Moonie Times put an even harsher spin on it:

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There were more mass layoffs in January in the United States than in any previous January for the nine years that such records have been kept.


The hardest hit states: California, New York, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Thursday morning we'll start seeing those "steady leadership in times of change" TV ads from the Misadministration.

Wonder how everyone who's newly unemployed is going to feel about that 'leadership'.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 09:15 pm
PDid, Although most Americans seem blind to these loss of American jobs, it's gonna start making a difference when their own jobs and those of their family and friends become the jobless. Maybe, then, they'll begin to question Bushienomics.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 09:39 pm
By contrast other figures show promise.
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Factories Operate Near 20-Year High
Mon Mar 1,10:36 AM ET Add Business - Reuters to My Yahoo!


By Eric Burroughs

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. factories boomed at close to a 20-year high in February, according to a survey released on Monday that also suggested a turnaround in hiring may be on the horizon after a three-year struggle.




The Institute for Supply Management said its monthly manufacturing index fell to 61.4 in February from January's two-decade high of 63.6, showing the ninth straight month of expansion in the sector that makes up less than a fifth of the U.S. economy.


Even though the index fell below the 62.0 level forecast by economists, the strength of the survey's components gave a lift to stocks and hurt safe-haven U.S. Treasuries. A reading above 50 in the index shows expansion. All 20 industry sectors in the survey also showed expansion.


"It appears that the manufacturing sector has sustainable momentum at this point," said Norbert Ore, ISM's manufacturing survey director.


The other ISM indexes also showed manufacturers gaining enough confidence to hire workers and the outlook for future growth was bright, though a rapid rise in prices may be squeezing profits.


The employment index jumped to 56.3 in February -- the highest since December 1987 -- from January's 52.9. ISM's Ore said more and more factories were reporting hiring though it has yet to show up in government employment statistics.


Even as the ISM report and other regional surveys have shown a pick-up in jobs during the past two months, the government's payrolls survey showed a 38,000 decline in manufacturing jobs nationwide.


Ore said there are "a lot of comments about people doing some hiring." The February U.S. payrolls report will be released Friday and economists forecast a 125,000 rise.


Two things are worrying manufacturers, ISM said -- the rapid rise in energy prices and a growing shortage of steel.


The prices index jumped in February to 81.5, the highest since early 1995, from 75.5 and is up almost 20 points in the past four months. Rather than being inflationary, typically such a rapid rise in prices cuts profit margins at factories.


The ISM manufacturing report is based on monthly responses by purchasing executives at more than 400 industrial companies, from textiles and chemicals to paper and computers.


Source
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