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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
Ethel2
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2003 05:31 pm
I'm fast these days............... Laughing

But if I appear to be preoccupied, that's because I am. I'm decorating a 12 foot Christmas tree and the teenagers won't help at all.........I'm so mistreated!

I'll look in here and read, but I won't have time to post much for a few days.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2003 07:47 pm
Lola, I think the correct term is "faster." Wink
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2003 09:07 pm
no, c.i., I meant "fast" Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2003 09:21 pm
Ya ain't slowing down, are you? THAT would be a great disappointment. LOL
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 07:28 am
Damn CI, I think she means it!
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 05:23 pm
Here is yet again another reason to rid ourselves of the George Bush White House. This is an excerpt from today's Washington Report of the Family Research Council. This Washington Update comes to me by email since I donated $10.00 in order to receive their propaganda. I did this in order to illustrate the difference between what they say to their supporters and what they say on their public web site. The tone is more strident on the email to supporters and much more extreme. The following excerpts are amazing to me that in 2003 anyone positioned to influence government and public policy could think in such a primitive way. But Mr. Tony Perkins of the FRC does.


Quote:
Faith Filled or Faithless Charity? There is a Difference.


Jim Towey, the Director of the White House's Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives, has received criticism for remarks he recently made suggesting that self described pagan organizations are less likely to care for the poor than faith based groups.


Pagan organizations? Does anyone know a charitable organization that describes itself as "pagan"? I don't know of one. But regardless, why would the above claim be true?

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While it is true that some atheists and pagans exhibit compassion for the poor and needy, it seems just a matter of common sense that a Christian notion of God inspires charity in ways that surpass a faithless interest in "one's neighbor." There is a difference between the believer and non believer, and it was right for Mr. Towey to recognize this difference.


And what difference would that be? Some people know the truth better than others?


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I have been with Mr. Towey on more than one occasion where his message acknowledges that Christians and faith based organizations are inspired to give aid to the needy in ways that can only be explained by a supernatural perspective of the dignity of each person and the immortality of the soul.

None of us, including public officials, should reduce Christianity to a way of charitable living equivalent to paganism. Mr. Towey was right, and all Christians should feel called to live that difference.


I can think of lots of explanations for why non Christians are able and do give aid to the needy. And these same non Christians can also value the dignity of each person, even if they don't believe in the immortality of the soul.


And then this, can you believe this?

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FRC at the White House Today

FRC's Vice President for Government Affairs Connie Mackey and I met at the White House today with Kristen Silverberg, the new Deputy Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy to discuss domestic policy issues that impact America's families. Silverberg has replaced Jay Lefkowitz, with whom we have worked closely on domestic issues.

I look forward to working with her to ensure that the president's policies continue to further the pro-life, pro-family agenda of you, our supporters.


George Bush has to go.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 05:34 pm
pagan charity organizations:
www.openhearth.org
www.kchsa.org
www.rcgi.org
www.rowangrove.org
www.batnet.com/bapagan/bapa.html
www.paganet.org
www.sacredwheel.org
www.ozarkavalon.org
www.dvpn.org/~dvpn
www.aquatabch.org
www.sacredwell.org
www.paganpridela.org
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 05:39 pm
And another reason:


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Posted on Sun, Dec. 07, 2003

Editorial | Medical Privacy Rules
An intolerable breach

When the doctor calls these days, she has to leave cryptic messages on your answering machine about those test results. The hospital may not alert your minister if you're banged up in a car accident. And, please, back away from the pharmacy counter while they help that other customer.

Welcome to the hassles of the new world of medical privacy. Such measures are well-intentioned, if clumsy, efforts to stop snooping.

They stem from federal rules enacted in April - rules the Bush administration touted as a giant step for safeguarding personal medical data stored increasingly on computer.

But those same rules are posing a troubling possibility: Are the protections just an illusion?



Yes they are, but they are worse than an illusion, they cover the real truth about patients loss of privacy.........for no other reason than to increase the progit margin of the insurer.

More here:
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/7430677.htm
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 05:41 pm
So then, why are Christians more likely to be charitable than are pagans?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 05:42 pm
Lola wrote:
So then, why are Christians more likely to be charitable than are pagans?

Beacuse..they say so..just ask them...Confused
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 05:48 pm
Yes, that's like proving the Bible is true and factual by quoting the Bible. My sister does this all the time. I cannot explain to her (in a way she understands) why this isn't adequate proof.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 07:57 pm
Damn it must be depressing
to have a sister that is an idiot. Crying or Very sad

Just for the Hell of it ask her if she believes that God talks personaly to Dubya.

btw I read somewhere that all the books in the bilble, expect one, were written by men. True? False?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 10:46 pm
pistoff,

I don't have to ask her (or any number of others in my family) if they think God talks personally to Bush. I already know that they do. You see, they believe God speaks to everyone personally. It's up to the person to listen. Or this is the way they think of it. They miss the point that their "listening" is actually their interpretation of certain matters they consider to be signs from God. It's very difficult for them to recognize that if it's their own interpretation, it is really them talking to themselves.

It's one thing for my sisters or other family members to suffer this confusion, but it's another for the President to believe it. So let's get rid of GW in 2004. Yes!

P.S. (According to these folks, the Bible was written by God through men. That wouldn't of course be those particular men's interpretation of the what God told them to write.)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 10:49 pm
Lola's quote, "it is really them talking to themselves." I wonder why it's so difficult for the religious folks to see this? Do they think god will continue to talk to them after their hearts stops beating?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 10:54 pm
yes, they do
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pistoff
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2003 10:57 pm
After the heart stops beating and the brain is dead...
don't people's souls go the Heaven, Hell or Purgatory?

If they go to Heaven, maybe they can get an appointment with God, Jesus, Mary, one of the Saints? If to Hell, maybe they can get a appointment with Belzebub. Pergatory? Maybe they get on a waiting list for the other two destinations?
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2003 07:29 am
compassionate conservatism update...

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The WSJ notes that President Bush is stepping back from his pledge of lots of foreign aid to fight AIDS and poverty. According to the Journal, the White House is budgeting $2.5 billion next year for the Millennium Challenge Account, an initiative to reward good governance abroad. That's about half what the president promised.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2003 07:34 am
China/Taiwan...bringing freedom and democracy to the world update...
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Mr. Bush had his reasons for doing so -- above all to avoid one more foreign policy crisis during an election year. But in avoiding a headache for himself, he demonstrated again how malleable is his commitment to the defense of freedom as a guiding principle of U.S. policy...
It's bad enough that the world's largest dictatorship might consider a nonbinding referendum opposing the use of force to be a provocation justifying war. But for the United States to accept such totalitarian logic is inexcusable.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51214-2003Dec9.html
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2003 10:59 am
Lola wrote:
Yes, that's like proving the Bible is true and factual by quoting the Bible. My sister does this all the time. I cannot explain to her (in a way she understands) why this isn't adequate proof.

Try telling her that ducks can talk, and then open up a Donald Duck book to prove your point. (You won't get through to her, but I bet the series of expressions that cross her face will be fun to watch.) :wink:
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2003 11:00 am
Blatham, The 'one China' policy of the U.S. was formulated by President Nixon in the early '70s. It has been reaffirmed by every president since then. With respect to Taiwan, we have affirmed our intent to defend them from forcible takeover by China, but at the same time affirmed our desire that the two parties settle their differences. There is nothing new in this and it is, at best, disingenuous of you or the author of the screed you quoted to suggest otherwise.

Same goes for the AIDs funding for Africa. This is a complex story and in the main it has been the blindness and stupidity of the African governments themselves that have facilitated the spread of this disease. Uganda has already demonstrated the positive results that can be obtained by an enlightened government using the means readily at its disposal. There are many factors that influence the optimal rate of spending of the promised $15 billion, among them the readiness of the governments to spend it wisely. I don't know the details of this aspect of the problem, and I strongly suspect you don't know either.

OK by me that you continue your anti Bush propaganda, just don't present it as dispassionate analysis or comment.
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