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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 05:18 pm
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesF/teamwork.jpg
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 05:20 pm
Is that a real poster, Diddie, or did you do that? I want one! It's excellent!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 06:44 pm
Although I think a dove in that poster is waaaaay off. Wink
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:03 pm
That's from Jeff Rence's website, Tart. A semi-celebrated Bush-Basher, Jeff, a radio personality, is perhaps better known for his longstanding relationship with UFOs.

The following is interesting, but doesn't lend itself well to posterization.

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www.sfgate.com

Poll: President's approval on the rise after Thanksgiving
©2003 Associated Press

(12-02) 14:30 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

President Bush's standing with the public has improved since his surprise Thanksgiving trip to Iraq amid signs of a stronger economy and following congressional passage of a prescription drug benefit under Medicare.

Bush's job approval was at 61 percent in the National Annenberg Election Survey conducted the four days after the holiday, up from 56 percent during the four days before Thanksgiving. Disapproval of the president dropped from 41 percent to 36 percent, according to the poll released Tuesday.

Bush visited the troops in Baghdad on Thanksgiving -- a move that even won praise from political opponents.

Public opinion about Bush personally also improved during the four-day, post-holiday span, with an increase in the number who view him favorably from 65 percent to 72 percent. Republicans shifted from 83 percent with a favorable view of Bush personally to 94 percent. Democrats moved from 46 percent to 55 percent.

Public opinion on the war in Iraq did not shift significantly, however. People were about evenly split on whether the war in Iraq was worthwhile before the holiday and afterward.

Approval of Bush's handling of Iraq increased slightly, with 44 percent approving and 53 percent disapproving before Thanksgiving, and people evenly split on that question now. The public view of his handling of the economy also shifted from a 45-51 percent split before Thanksgiving to a public divided almost evenly on his handling of the economy, 50-48, afterward.

The margin of sampling error for the 789 people interviewed before Thanksgiving and the 847 interviewed after was plus or minus 3 percentage points.


©2003 Associated Press


As compared to this text cartoon:

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Tuesday, Dec. 2, 2003 12:44 a.m. EST
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...



Bagram GI: Troops Waited While Hillary Chowed Down
U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton forced U.S. troops stationed at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan to wait for their Thanksgiving dinner last Thursday while she and her entourage arrived late, then cut in line and were served first.

A soldier who witnessed the scene tells NewsMax:

"Thanksgiving Dinner started at 3 p.m. that day, so the line was forming around 2:30 p.m. She didn't show up until around 3:30 p.m.

"Once she got there," our source maintains, "Clinton and her entourage bumped everyone in line, forcing them to wait almost an extra hour."

The brass at Bagram apparently had a hard time rounding up New Yorkers who wanted to have dinner with Clinton, D-N.Y. Only six GIs responded to an e-mail sent out last week that stated, "Looking for military members from New York and Rhode Island interested in meeting their Senator/Congressman."

People magazine was on hand to cover the event and wanted to interview the troops for reaction to Clinton's visit.

"But they were getting declined left and right," our source said. "People were actually telling the reporters, 'You don't want to print what I think about her and her visit.'"

After Clinton and her entourage departed, the only topics GIs wanted to talk about were "how great the food was and how fantastic they thought George Bush's visit to Iraq was."
All Rights Reserved © NewsMax.com




or this one:

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W'S FOES FLIP OUT[/url]

John Podhoretz

December 2, 2003 -- IT might be best for President Bush's opponents to drop the subject of his Thanksgiving trip to Baghdad. The more they talk about it, the longer it will remain in the public eye - which will only benefit Bush. But some on the increasingly loony Left just can't help themselves, because their compulsion to rant and rave and spew conspiracy theories overwhelms any practical political common sense they may once have possessed.
On the Web site Counterpunch, edited by the veteran leftist journalist Alexander Cockburn, a man named Wayne Madsen announced on Saturday in a piece called "Wag the Turkey" that the whole trip was a fraud because he had figured out the president actually landed in Baghdad at 5:30 a.m. on Thursday. "Our military men and women," Madsen complained, "were downing turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, pumpkin pie and non-alcoholic beer at a time when most people would be eating eggs, bacon, grits, home fries and toast."

A blogger named Brian O'Connell responded, "Er, no. Change all those a.m.s to p.m.s and then you'd have something like a factual story." Madsen simply misread the report on the time. Baghdad is 8 hours ahead of New York. The plane took off at 7:50 p.m., which is why America found out about the trip as the last big balloon was arriving in front of Macy's just before noon.

How could Madsen have spun so demented a tale? Apparently, because of a typo in a Washington Post story on Friday. But having been caught out, he chose to continue spinning his web. In a piece yesterday called "Wagging the Media," he accused CNN of being in on the conspiracy - even though not a single CNN journalist was among the 13 brought along on Air Force One.

Then there are those who argue that Bush took the trip not because he wanted to spend time with the troops, but because he wanted - get this - to overshadow Hillary Clinton's visit to Iraq.

"Bush probably planned on visiting the troops sometime around Thanksgiving, but hastily decided to give the 'go' command when Karl Rove realized that Bush's 'daring' midnight run into Iraq would be laughed at by the entire country if Hillary Clinton already beat him to it," according to the blogger Hesiod. "It turns out that Hillary's people informed the White House of her trip to Iraq way back in September . . . Anyone still believe this was a 'spur of the moment' decision?"

Yeah, that's why Air Force One flew in the dark over the Atlantic - to rob Hillary Clinton of a one-day news story.



Why, others want to know, didn't Bush stay longer in Iraq? See more troops? See more Iraqis? Why didn't he go to Germany to visit the wounded in hospitals? Why was he wearing an army jacket?

If Bush visited a hospital in Germany, they would ask why he wasn't visiting Iraq. If he stayed longer in Iraq, they would want to know why he was using the troops as a campaign prop. If he visited lots of Iraqis in Baghdad, they'd want to know why he wasn't going to Mosul or Kirkuk.

These responses range from the peevish to the dyspeptic, from the merely cynical to the near-psychotic. Bush is increasingly fortunate to have such people as his enemies, because their demented anger continues to seep into mainstream Democratic Party discourse and threatens to make all anti-Bush rhetoric seem like the ravings of a bunch of lunatics. That happened during the Clinton years, and it's happening now.


NEW YORK POST is a registered trademark of NYP Holdings, Inc. NYPOST.COM, NYPOSTONLINE.COM, and NEWYORKPOST.COM
are trademarks of NYP Holdings, Inc. Copyright 2003 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved.


Humor, graphical or annecdotal, is often subjective, isn't it?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:33 pm
Speaking of cartoons;

Quote:
Nader Raising Money for Possible Campaign

Tuesday December 2, 2003 10:16 PM


By SAM HANANEL

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Ralph Nader has not yet decided whether to make another run for the White House, but he's authorized a new exploratory committee to raise money for a potential bid.

The Nader 2004 Presidential Exploratory Committee was formed in late October as part of the consumer activist's effort to gauge support for a run, said Theresa Amato, a committee director.

``He is using it to test the waters,'' said Amato, who served as Nader's national campaign manager when he ran for president on the Green Party ticket in 2000. She said the organization is part of Nader's overall strategy of ``talking to people, calling people, seeing what level of support there is.'' ...


How wonderful. I would so love for Ralph to regain his fire and reassemble his constituency. Mr. Green
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:48 pm
Dated current-events humor poking fun at George Bush's expense:

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And here's a caption-this-photo:

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20031202/i/r48591834.jpg

1. "Goodness, thanks for bringing policy advisors I can finally understand!"

2. "What's their favorite beers?"

3. "They're all Neil's kids. We're going to keep them locked in the basement with the twins until the election's over."

4. "If I've told you once, Karl, I've told you a gazillion times. Never have cameras around when there are people who are smarter than than me in the room! Ohh!! Can I have some gummi bears too?"

5. "Of course this is what I want! The Cabinet NEEDED replacing, anyway!"

6. "These young folks look like they're up to the task of paying for my stupidity for the next 50 years..."

7. "OK, so which one are we saying is Bill Clinton's kid?"
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 08:32 pm
Quote:
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/misc/logoprinter.gif



The Promised Land


By DAVID BROOKS
November 29, 2003

The history of American conservatism is an exodus tale. It begins in the wilderness, in the early 1950's, with Russell Kirk, Milton Friedman and William F. Buckley Jr. writing tracts for small bands of true believers.

Conservatives crashed into the walls of power during the Goldwater debacle of 1964, and then breached those walls with Reagan's triumph 16 years later. But even with Reagan in the Oval Office, Republicans were not the majority party. Democrats controlled the House, and few Reaganites actually knew how to run a government.

In 1994, with the Gingrich revolution, the conservatives strode closer to the center of power. But even then, they were not quite there. For the rule of exodus tales is that the chiefs who lead in the wilderness and storm the citadels do not get to govern once their troops have occupied the city. Renegades are too combative to govern well.

It was only this week that we can truly say the exodus story is over, with the success of the Medicare reform bill. This week the G.O.P. behaved as a majority party in full. The Republicans used the powers of government to entrench their own dominance. They used their control of the federal budget to create a new entitlement, to woo new allies and service a key constituency group, the elderly.

From now on, as Tony Blankley observed in The Washington Times, if you work at an interest group and you want to know what's going on with your legislation, you have to go to the Republicans. The Democrats don't even know the state of play.

If you are the AARP, seeking a benefit, you have to go to the Republicans. If you are a centrist Democrat like John Breaux or Max Baucus seeking to pass legislation, you have to work with the Republicans.

Under the leadership of Bush, Frist, Hastert and DeLay, the Republicans have built a fully mature establishment of activist groups, think tanks and lobbyists, which is amazingly aloof from the older Washington establishment (not to mention the media establishment). Republicans now speak in that calm, and to their opponents infuriating, manner of those who believe they were born to rule.

The Democrats, meanwhile, behave just as the Republicans did when they were stuck in the minority. They complain about their outrageous mistreatment by the majority. They are right to complain. The treatment is outrageous. But the complaints only communicate weakness.

Democrats indulge in the joys of opposition. They get to sputter about fiscal irresponsibility, just as the green-eyeshade Republicans used to, as the majority party uses the power of the purse to buy votes. They get to make wild charges. They get to propose solutions that ignore inconvenient realities. They never have to betray their principles to get something done, and so they savor their own righteousness.

Minority parties are pure but defeated; governing parties are impure but victorious. The Republicans are now in the habit of winning, and are on permanent offense on all fronts. They offer tax cuts to stimulate the economy and please business. They nominate conservative judges to advance conservative social reform and satisfy religious conservatives. They fight a war on terror. They have even come to occupy the Democratic holy of the holies, the welfare state. In exchange for massive new spending, they demand competitive reforms.

The only drawback is that now, as the governing party, they have to betray some of the principles that first animated them. This week we saw dozens of conservatives, who once believed in limited government, vote for a new spending program that will cost over $2 trillion over the next 20 years.

In the past three years, federal education spending has increased by 65 percent. Unemployment benefit payments are up by 85 percent.

Many conservatives are dismayed over what has happened to their movement as it has grown fat and happy in the Promised Land. A significant rift has opened up between the conservative think tankers and journalists, who are loyal to ideas, and the K Street establishmentarians, who are loyal to groups.

The good news for Democrats is that the K Street establishment will slowly win this struggle. The majority will ossify. It will lose touch with its principles and eventually crumble under the weight of its own spoils. The bad news for Democrats is that, as Republicans can tell you, the ossification process is maddeningly slow. After the New Deal, it took 60 years.




Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company


For those fond of visuals, there's this:

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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 08:45 pm
http://www.dougmarlette.com/politicals/img14.gif

Quote:
Conservative Republican frustration over the failure of the Bush administration and the House Republican leadership to restrain federal spending has boiled over in recent days, producing a rare confrontation between GOP lawmakers and party leaders.

The internal conflict, fueled largely by recent passage of the $78 billion Iraq reconstruction effort and the $400 billion prescription-drug benefit for senior citizens that squeaked through the House on Nov. 22, came to a head last week when President Bush abruptly terminated a phone conversation with a Florida Republican who refused his plea to vote for the landmark bill.

Well-placed sources said Bush hung up on freshman Rep. Tom Feeney after Feeney said he couldn't support the Medicare bill. The House passed it by only two votes after Hastert kept the roll-call vote open for an unprecedented stretch of nearly three hours in the middle of the night.

Feeney, a former Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives whom many see as a rising star in the party, reportedly told Bush: "I came here to cut entitlements, not grow them."

Sources said Bush shot back, "Me too, pal," and hung up the phone.


"Me too, pal," says Bush, hanging up
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 09:50 pm
Has this gotten silly enough?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 10:05 pm
I don't know; I think they're all funny! Wink
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 10:10 pm
laughing is good for the soul........it's fun to take a break and laugh hard for a change.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 10:21 pm
Heartland Honeys
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 11:14 pm
Tartarin wrote:
CI -- I think what will be interesting is the polls over the next two months -- they'll contain any variation due to the Iraq trip and Christmas spending. It wouldn't surprise me if they remained relatively flat. Let's keep an eye on his personal ratings which have always been fairly high. They'll likely weigh pretty heavily in a vote...



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University of Pennsylvania National Annenberg Election Survey. Nov. 28-Dec. 1, 2003. N=847 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. (5 Page PDF File)

"Now I'd like to ask you how you feel about George W. Bush as a person, as opposed to how you feel about the job he is doing.
Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him as a person?"

11/28 - 12/1/03

Favorable 72%

Unfavorable 19%

Not Sure 9%



11/23-26/03

Favorable 65%

Unfavorable 24%

Not Sure 11%


Of course, its not "the next two months", but a 7-point gain from 65% Favorable to 72% Favorable, coupled with a 5-point drop from 24% Unfavorable to 19% Unfavorable looks more like a 12-point net gain than "relatively flat". And The Campaign has yet to begin.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 11:40 pm
I like these numbers better. http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
It shows that his approval rating is dropping since 9/11.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 11:46 pm
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Now that's funny! (I always liked Conan.)
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 11:48 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I like these numbers better. http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
It shows that his approval rating is dropping since 9/11.

Um, it shows it rising in the most recent polling, just as Timber noted above. Rolling Eyes
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 3 Dec, 2003 02:25 am
Just for some fun in-between

Dancing Bush

Dancing Hilary


Perhaps this will help him more

Aerobic Bush

:wink:
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 3 Dec, 2003 07:19 am
Quote:
A team of military lawyers recruited to defend alleged terrorists held by the US at Guantanamo Bay was dismissed by the Pentagon after some of its members rebelled against the unfair way the trials have been designed, the Guardian has learned.
And some members of the new legal defence team remain deeply unhappy with the trials - known as "military commissions" - believing them to be slanted towards the prosecution and an affront to modern US military justice.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1098618,00.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 3 Dec, 2003 07:27 am
For anyone who'd like to get really depressed, this is a fine choice of reading material. But for those without conscience or empathy or respect for principles of justice, it should be no problem at all.
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People the law forgot

It is almost two years since the Guantanamo prison camp opened. Its purpose is to hold people seized in the 'war on terror' and defined by the Bush administration as enemy combatants - though many appear to have been bystanders to the conflict. Images of Camp Delta's orange-jumpsuited, manacled detainees have provoked international outrage. But the real horror they face isn't physical hardship, it is the threat of infinite confinement, without trial or access to legal representation. James Meek has spent the past month talking to former inmates and some of those involved in operating the Pentagon's Kafkaesque justice system. He has built an unprecedented picture of life on the base, which we present in this special issue

His face only lights up when you ask about fishing. He has been doing a lot of it - mostly for trout - since his return. The other day he caught a five-pounder with his Japanese rod. "The biggest damage is to my brain. My physical and mental state isn't right. I'm a changed person," he says. "I don't laugh or enjoy myself much." ...

In India Block, as the block of punishment cells is known, "there were no windows. There were four walls and a roof made of tin, a light bulb and an air conditioner. They put the air conditioning on and it was extremely cold. They would take away the blanket in the morning and bring it back in the evening. I was kept in this room for one month. We'd ask them: 'Is this a sort of a punishment?' And the translator would say, 'No, this is being done on orders from the general.'"

As treatment for Mohammed's suicidal state of mind, US medics injected him with an unknown drug, against his will. "I refused and they brought seven or eight people and held me and injected me," he says. "I couldn't see down, I couldn't see up. I felt paralysed for one month - this injection, the effect, I couldn't think or do anything. They gave me tranquillising tablets. They just told me: 'Your brain is not working properly.' They were forcing me to take these injections and tablets and I didn't want to do that. Some people were being injected every month."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1098604,00.html
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 3 Dec, 2003 07:35 am
"A Second Chance"
I'm still feeling a little silly; anybody else?

From the Bush-Cheney '04website:

George W. Bush wrote:
http://www.georgewbush.org/news/images/economy.jpg

Over the course of my life, I have often benefited from the friendship of others. It is through my friends and the friends of my father that I came to acquire the Texas Rangers, it is through my friends and the friends of my father that I was able to acquire my first oil company, it is through my friends and the friends of my father that I was able to run for Congress, and it is through my friends and the friends of my father that I became Governor of Texas.

Finally, it is through my brother, my friends and the friends of my father that I became President of the United States.

But besides high-profile friendship, my career has been marked by another, less cheerful pattern: a lack of second chances.

When my oil company couldn't find any oil in Texas, through no fault of my own, it went bankrupt just after I sold all my stock. I was never given another chance to own an oil company.

When I lost my race for Congress, I was never offered another chance to run such a race--even though I had lost through no fault of my own, elections being so often the "wild cards" of our politics.

When I went AWOL from the Texas National Guard, no one ever offered me another chance to earn an honorable discharge.

When, as Governor of Texas, I was asked to change pollution laws for power and oil companies and did just that, I accidentally made Texas the most polluted state in the Union, and Houston the most polluted city in America. And when I was asked to cut taxes too much and did so, I accidentally bankrupted the Texas government. Yet no one ever offered me a second chance to achieve an honorable record in Texas.

Today, as President of the United States, I of course have done some marvelous things. I have already set the all-time record for most campaign fund-raising trips of any President in US history. I kept the US out of the international spotlight by withdrawing from the World Court. I avoided media insanity quite well, with fewer televised press conferences than any other President since the advent of television.

But I know, too, that my record hasn't been perfect. Leaving aside my accomplishments for the moment, I'd like to eat some humble pie:

**Three million of you have lost your jobs over the past three years. That is bad - worse than at any other time since the Great Depression, when Herbert Hoover was President. I know this.

**1.7 million of you dropped below the poverty line this past year. That is bad, because 1.7 million is the population of Philadelphia, the "city of brotherly love." Imagine all of Philadelphia falling off the shelf of prosperity, all at once. Believe me, I know.

**For those of you in the middle classes, incomes have gone down, after rising throughout the 1990s. I know.

http://www.georgewbush.org/news/images/strenghtening.jpg

**My tax cuts have turned your budget surplus into a $480 billion deficit. I know there are many things you could have used the surplus for, and I know it will cause your children some stress later on. I know this.

**It was during my tenure that more private bankruptcies were filed in twelve months than ever before. I know.

**It was during my tenure that the stock market dropped more than ever before in history. I know.

**I accidentally appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other President in US history. I'm living with that legacy, like all of us are.

**I also accidentally appointed more multi-millionaires to my cabinet than any other President in US history. My cabinet is by far the richest of any in US history. This was a tactless move, I know - I know.

**Your country's security is a mess. Even my generals in the field, even my Homeland Security apparatus, even Rumsfeld is telling me that now, the American people face a great deal more of a threat than before my War on Terror began. I know that too.

**After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. I remember that well, even today.

**Your country's diplomacy is in tatters. After September 11, we received an outpouring of heartfelt sympathy from our allies and enemies alike. We had an opportunity to build on that sympathy. Today, none of our allies trusts us one bit, and not only because we found no weapons of mass destruction. I know how this hurts some of you. Believe me, I know.

**I dissolved more international treaties than any other President in US history. I know that this hasn't helped our diplomacy either.

**More people have taken to the streets to protest me and my actions (around 15 million worldwide on February 15 alone) than ever before in the history of humanity. I know these figures quite well.

**Because of my actions, the United Nations removed the US from its human rights commission and its elections monitoring board. I know that!

Now all this is not good, I know. But I'm asking you for a second chance. If you grant it to me, it will be a first for my lifetime, and I will forever be grateful.

As an American, I think you can understand the importance of second chances. If you've lost your job during my tenure, surely you'll want some corporation, somewhere on earth, to give you another job someday, and not say "Oh, no, you messed up for good. You can't ever work again."

Since there's a good chance you can relate to this scenario, I feel I can ask you, as a friend: please, give me a second four-year term. Give me that second chance--for once in my life.

Thank you.

- George W. Bush
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