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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 07:29 pm
Another family member deserving of respect...
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Neil Bush, younger brother of President Bush, detailed lucrative business deals and admitted to engaging in sex romps with women in Asia in a deposition taken in March as part of his divorce from now ex-wife Sharon Bush.

According to legal documents disclosed on Tuesday, Sharon Bush's lawyers questioned Neil Bush closely about the deals, especially a contract with Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., a firm backed by Jiang Mianheng, the son of former Chinese President Jiang Zemin, that would pay him $2 million in stock over five years.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-bush-brother.html
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 07:36 pm
Numbers from Paula Zahn (so give her a bad time if you think they're inaccurate):

400+ fatalities, 40+ fund-raisers, 0 funerals attended by Bush.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 08:22 pm
Blatham,

And I thought you didn't indulge in that sort of thing ! Seems to me he is several cuts above the Clinton & Rodham brothers.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 08:26 pm
George is now dismissable. Pity.

I like Paula Zahn's numbers, PDiddie! Have you been following the pursuit of DeLay by a Texas grand jury, or did I mishear a news cast today?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 08:37 pm
DeLay's Former PACs Have Failed to File Full Financial Reports with the IRS and the State of Texas; Public Citizen and CREW File Complaint With IRS
WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 10, 2003--
Public Citizen and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington Call Upon the IRS to Enforce Section 527 Reporting Requirements
Public Citizen and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) today filed a letter of complaint with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) calling upon the agency to enforce its disclosure requirements regarding contributions made to Section 527 groups originally founded by House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas).
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 09:08 pm
They're considering whether contributions to DeLay's TRMPAC were spent illegally on political campaigns here in Texas -- races that gave Republicans a majority and solidified support for DeLay and the redistricting fray.

Ronnie Earle, Travis Co. (Austin) District Attorney, is convening the GJ.

His daughter, an Austin municipal court judge, presided over Jenna's underage-drinking hearing.

(All the news on this one, Tarty, will be coming out of your back yard. Let's revive the conversation in the 'TX Redistricting' thread if anything comes of it...)
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 09:27 pm
http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.jhtml?prgDate=11/25/2003&prgId=2


Jury Holds Inquest into DeLay's PAC


A Texas grand jury investigates U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay's political action committee. They're considering whether corporate contributions to the PAC were spent illegally on political campaigns in Texas -- races that gave Republicans a majority in the state and solidified support for DeLay, the House majority leader. NPR's Wade Goodwyn reports.

Go Texas Democrats!!!
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 09:27 pm
george

Re the sexual behavior...none of my or anyone else's business, but what is relevant is the inconsistency - the anti-liberal, anti-sixties, anti-drug, anti-profligacy and moral purity implicitly claimed by this family (or claimed of them) and the reality.

But it isn't the sex here that is of interest...it's the business connection between Bush and the top of the Chinese Communist Party. Anything for a buck?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 09:31 pm
Plllllllllllllllllease george!
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 09:49 pm
blatham wrote:
george

Re the sexual behavior...none of my or anyone else's business, but what is relevant is the inconsistency - the anti-liberal, anti-sixties, anti-drug, anti-profligacy and moral purity implicitly claimed by this family (or claimed of them) and the reality.

But it isn't the sex here that is of interest...it's the business connection between Bush and the top of the Chinese Communist Party. Anything for a buck?


Didn't you find any inconsistency (or perhaps I should say consistency) in the extortions and attempts at criminal fraud by the Clinton & Rodham brothers?


Lola,


"Pleezzz George" what ????
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 10:12 pm
laugh
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 10:16 pm
it was an expression of exasperation........what are we going to do with you? You're bull headed and you should listen...........

I suppose it's a matter of what turns you on. I just don't like the Bushes. They're mean and unfun.

At least the Clintons have color and know how to have a good time. Besides, they share my values. So that makes them good. You apparently don't agree. How could you like that bunch? They're such............what's the word? uptight and elitist....
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 10:20 pm
george...to tell you the truth, I don't know about this.

But I think you miss the point. You gambling is one thing. Bill Bennett doing it is another. Joe Shmoe picking up a prostitute is one thing, while an Evangelist preacher doing it is another.

Where what comes out of one's mouth is the converse of one's own actions, that's where consistency is an issue, that's where integrity is an issue. Particularly if one has been proscribing correct moral behavior. Or consider J Edgar Hoover, with his closet full of ginham dresses, meanwhile campaigning against homosexuality.

It's the two-faced Janus thing. Does that apply with your examples?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 10:22 pm
I truly truly despised Bush, knowing his history of cocaine use, for how he as governor allowed others (mainly blacks) to be punished in Texas for just what he himself had done many times.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 10:34 pm
Blatham,

I'm not sure I get your point.

I just don't think the actions of Presidential brothers are particularly relevant unless they involve misuse of access to government power. THe sad fact is that both the Clinton brother and the Rodham brother were involved in such scams.

I agree that hypocrisy makes any human failing worse. But what is the connection?

Lola,

Don't be exasperated with me. I'm a lovable guy. Cheerful, even tempered, clear thinking, flexible, reasonably good sense of humor (perhaps not as sharp a wit as Blatham, but pretty good - besides I don't have all that vagrant, free floating hostility- hell I even like him !). If I am bull headed, what do you call Blatham? - or yourself, my Dear.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 10:35 pm
not to mention his daughters............
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 10:46 pm
blatham wrote:
Dialogue, agreements, concessions, the sort of activity that the State Department looks to, is NOT in the interests of a corporation whose bottom line is based on the sale of bunker buster bombs.

That may well be true, but neither is such activity ultimately capable of keeping us safe and free in the real world in which we live.

I cite the following merely to help explain my thinking. I leave it to you to decide whether you find it meaningful or reasonable...

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It has recently been revealed that for 12 yrs. a behavioral scientist at the U. of Hawaii* has headed up a team of distinguished colleagues in a Federally-Funded, computerized study of International behavior. Summed up in one sentence they have learned that "to abdicate power is to abdicate the right to maintain peace."The Treaty Trap is true. "Nations that place their faith in treaties & fail to keep their hardware up don't stick around long enough to write many pages in history."

According to the report

Power is not only sufficient military strength but it's also a sound economy, a reliable energy supply and
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* Professor Rudolph Rummel, Department of Political Science

It simply makes sense to me that you either demonstrate a willingness to defend what you have or you invite others to take it from you; whether "it" is property, liberty, your life or your very way of life. I believe that last bit of the quote, "...the belief by any potential enemy that you will not choose surrender as the way to maintain peace" is what we gave away under Clinton, the reason 9/11 occurred, and what the Bush administration is buying back for us at a stiff but necessary cost.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 10:49 pm
It's true george........it's the pot and kettle calling the skillet black........you are a lovable, cheerful, even tempered, clear thinking, flexible, and reasonably good humored, dear guy. And all that's good. So I'm sure my exasperation will pass soon enough. (But I do have a special taste for the vagrant, free floating hostility that our bullheaded Blatham demonstrates so freely. I just love it, actually, can't get enough.) And he, (and I) like you, is sincere in his concerns and perceptions. I just shake my head at you and the others who agree with you............I do not see how you see things from your perspective. I just sit in wonderment.......are we living in the same slice of time and space? Amazing...........but I suppose it's good evidence for the theory that everything is perception, based on early childhood experiences and constitutional factors..........that and the reality that denial is an amazing defense mechanism.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 10:58 pm
Scrat,

I can see your point, up until your conclusion. We have to be strong and maintain strength.......make it clear we're willing to do what is necessary. But I don't agree that we had to attack Iraq to maintain peace. Bush and his buds did that out of purely selfish and ideological motives which they have no right to impose on the citizens of the world. I believe that Bush's actions have made us considerably weaker and more vulnerable to attack. I'm fearful of the outcome. And I'm also fearful of this administration's techniques.......I truly hate to see our liberties, rights and freedom taken away because of some simple minded plan that was both precipitous and ill conceived. This escalation has to be stopped by the American people. And I hope I'm not going to be disappointed in my faith in the wisdom of the American voter........if they actually get a chance.....
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2003 11:00 pm
Well said Lola.

Don't forget the benefit of superior analytic insight and interpretation of the unfolding signs of the historical forces shaping the world. That helps too. Certainly it has aided me in my clearsighted assessment of events/
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