Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

Alec Baldwin had promised to leave...
Still here, dammit.

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au

With us or against us?

America lost a lot of good people in the sixties, and many of them came up here. I lived with a group of yanks, some who'd dodged, some who'd gone AWOL, and some who'd completed service. They were fine folks (except one, who'd completed service, and was THE biggest asshole I've ever met) and a loss to the US.

I had no sense that any of them were 'cowards', but rather that they were, as a matter of principle, just totally fed up with what their leaders were up to, and felt completely powerless to do much about that.

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Oh, but he(Alec) and his ilk are so rebellious to stay here.

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Promises, promises...
Should've known he wasn't a man of his word. Twisted Evil

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Well, Sofia, at least I like your nifty signature quote!

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Tartarin wrote:

Well, Sofia, at least I like your nifty signature quote!

Well. That's something. Cool

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Tartarin wrote:

No, I'd have to disagree -- without reservation. I think PDiddie has hit a home run, fair and square.

Keep hitting those home runs ! They will enhance the confused indignation of Democrats, increase the shrill and off putting rhetoric of their spokesmen, and aid Republican victory this coming fall.

Blatham,

The United States was not injured in any demonstrable way by the loss of those who fled to Canada during the War. While there were no doubt those whose motives were just as you describe, my experience of life strongly suggests to me that there is likely a high degree of selectivity in the elements of the real stories these people choose to put out to others. The desire to rationalize irreversible behavior is very strong.

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my experience of life strongly suggests to me that there is likely a high degree of selectivity in the elements of the real stories these people choose to put out to others. The desire to rationalize irreversible behavior is very strong.[/[/b]QUOTE] george

But that is no less true for those who signed up, or who stayed.

These were good guys...smart, productive...they became (but for that one fellow) assets here and good citizens.

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blatham wrote:

If we accept the possibility of string theory, with the attendant parallel universes, then it is entirely possible that, at this very moment, there is a Presidential candidate leading the pack who is both openly gay and the reigning champion on the Monster Truck circuit.

Neither of which attributes would I see any reason to consider when casting my ballot. :wink:

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blatham
It is not a question of with us or against us. The fact is that there are no chains barring any citizen from leaving this country. As far as I am concerned there is nothing that would ever induce me to leave. However, for those who keep threatening I say put up or shut up. I can almost guarantee that if push came to shove not one of them would leave. Further I would have more respect for those who followed their convictions and left than for the whiners who stayed.

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georgeob1 wrote:

Tartarin wrote:
No, I'd have to disagree -- without reservation. I think PDiddie has hit a home run, fair and square.

Keep hitting those home runs ! They will enhance the confused indignation of Democrats, increase the shrill and off putting rhetoric of their spokesmen, and aid Republican victory this coming fall.

Funny how tenaciously they cling to the myth of the stolen election. It's like children refusing to accept that Santa does not exist. I have repeatedly challenged anyone and everyone to find a legal leg on which Gore's original manual recount can stand and no one ever steps up. The silly thing is that I don't think they fail to step up because they have read and understood the Florida election law on the subject (I suspect they have not and will not do so). My gut tells me they simply don't care to risk having to admit theirs is a hollow lie, so they never check the facts, don't in fact care about them at all. So long as enough other people are willing to spout the stupid and unsupportable--enough so that they don't feel stupid saying it themselves, they will keep saying it.

PD hit a homerun on a Playstation baseball game, he did not hit one in the real world. Gore's win in Florida is a fantasy. Bush's theft of the election is a myth. The recounts were unlawful. These are facts, easily checked by anyone with an average IQ and the will to be informed.

I have recounted the facts here before. I won't do it again. Anyone who wants to claim I am wrong needs to back it up with citations from the Florida election law in place in 2000. (That law is still available at the FL state Website for any to read.)

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It is far more comforting to believe malfeasance on the part of others to be the cause of one's misfortunes than to recognize and accept responsibility for one's own miscalculations and shortcomings. Much easier, too; it requires no thinking. That alone guarantees the practice wide endorsement in certain circles.

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timberlandko wrote:

It is far more comforting to believe malfeasance on the part of others to be the cause of one's misfortunes than to recognize and accept responsibility for one's own miscalculations and shortcomings. Much easier, too; it requires no thinking. That alone guarantees the practice wide endorsement in certain circles.

AMEN!!!

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Scrat -- Why not post your reasons for thinking the Florida elections were legit and let PDiddie (and others who are well-informed) have a go at responding to them?

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Tartarin wrote:

Scrat -- Why not post your reasons for thinking the Florida elections were legit and let PDiddie (and others who are well-informed) have a go at responding to them?

Because, as I wrote above, I have done so REPEATEDLY in theses discussions, and I recognize now that the effort is futile. You don't want to know the facts, you prefer your fantasy.

The election law is there for you to read. Look specifically at what MUST occur to trigger ANY manual recount and then give fabricating one of those triggers (because none were present) your best shot.

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Are you a squirrel or a duck? Or a little of each?

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Tartarin wrote:

Scrat -- Why not post your reasons for thinking the Florida elections were legit and let PDiddie (and others who are well-informed) have a go at responding to them?

Tartarin,

Why bother. The Supreme Court has already dealt with the issue. Seems to me the burden of proof here is on those of you who wish to cling to your ill-founded conspiracy theories.

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Because, George, the more you "don't bother," the less credible your posts are.

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Tartarin wrote:

Because, George, the more you "don't bother," the less credible your posts are.

Credible to whom? Seems to me my point was eminently reasonable: given that the Supreme Court has already ruled on the process in the Florida election, the burden of proof is now on those of you who imply that the last presidential election was not legitimate.

Given the emphatic nature of your beliefs and opinions, offered so generously and in such profusion here, one could hope for a greater willingness on your part to explain them.

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Some folks deal with real issues. Others prefer to overlook them and attempt to manufacture issues they find more appealing.

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