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Hmmmm, good thinking, littlek! This never occured to me, but it makes sense now that you say it.

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Factcheck.org is diggin' this story.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=254

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Mintz: I can't say that he didn't do his duties, but I can say for sure that I was there and I never met George Bush.

In the telephone conference, Mintz recalled that he and other bachelor pilots were looking forward to meeting a new officer with "political connections" whom they had heard was going to report to their Montgomery, Alabama unit, the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group.

"We were anxious to meet the young lieutenant," Mintz said. But the new arrival never showed, and Mintz says he put it out of his mind until recently when he heard Bush say he had served in the same unit. Then he called some friends, and none of them recalled seeing Bush there either.

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Separately, The Associated Press said it had obtained new records showing that Bush's Houston unit continued to operate the F-102 Delta Dagger aircraft long after Bush stopped flying in April 1972.

The AP said the Pentagon released the records under pressure from a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, after previously saying it could not find them.

The AP said the two dozen new pages of records show that Bush's Texas unit flew the F-102A until 1974, and also used the jets as part of an air defense drill during 1972, despite a suggestion by Bush's 2000 campaign that he had skipped his medical exam in part because the F-102A was nearly obsolete.

and why do i love factcheck.org?
partly because timber recommends it :wink:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=862663#862663

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haha!

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Nice to see you again frank.

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New memo, interesting stuff:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040909%2F0616749316.htm&sc=1151&photoid=20040908NY117&floc=NW_1-T

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Memos Show Bush Suspended From Flying
By PETE YOST

WASHINGTON (AP) - Newly unearthed memos state George W. Bush was suspended from flying for the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam war because he failed to meet Guard standards and failed to take his annual flight physical as required.

The suspension came as Bush was trying to arrange a transfer to non-flying status with a unit in Alabama so he could work on a political campaign there.

A memo written a year later referred to one military official ``pushing to sugar coat'' Bush's annual evaluation.

(When did the "60 Minutes" franchise become hard-hitting investigative reporters again? [they turned up the memo]. I think of them as homespun wisdom from Andy Rooney, and "Is Your Closet Safe??" alarmism. But they did this, they did Abu Ghraib...)

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blatham wrote:

Nice to see you again frank.

Hey Bernie.

Been trying to get in touch with you.

Jonathan and I are still meeting for drinks. occasionally.

Any chance you can join us?

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link

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Bush was a draft evading coward...the kind of person you conservatives found so objectionable when speaking of Bill Clinton.

Now, in order to keep the moron in the Oval Office, you folks are perfectly contend to see several men who had the integrity and courage to go when needed...trashed by this band of draft evaders.

I've always considered American conservatism to be the most hypocritical political philosophy ever to pollute the Earth...and I cannot tell you how much I am enjoying this proof that I am right you good folks are offering.

Please don't stop.

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Glad to see that your vacation took the edge of your bitterness Frank... :wink:

Now, how can you compare running off the England with joining the National Guard? Regardless of the reasons, one served his country while the other ran away.

Between Kerry and bush, both served their country and that should be that, but neither side will give the other any slack so the debate rages on.

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So you think that Kerry should have been given slack?

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Frank Apisa wrote:

blatham wrote:
Nice to see you again frank.

Hey Bernie.

Been trying to get in touch with you.

Jonathan and I are still meeting for drinks. occasionally.

Any chance you can join us?

Frank
Try the email account listed in my profile. I think it's likely we'll quaff again.

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sozobe wrote:

So you think that Kerry should have been given slack?

Slack? It should never have even been brought up.

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Wow!

I agree of course, but that's a bit of a change from your stance on SBVfT thus far.

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It should never have been brought for either candidate, but since it has been and it seems to be a hotbutton topic, we discuss it.

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Should never have been brought up?

McGentrix wrote:

Kerry wants to be president, his past is ripe for the picking. Oh, BTW, your dismissal of the Swift Boat Veterans completely destroys any credibility you could have had.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=859267#859267

McGentrix wrote:

]He wasn't running for Commander-in0Chief then either. Maybe they lied back then hoping that having close ties to a senator could be benficial for them. Or maybe, like Kerry, they are a bunch of flip-floppers. Who knows.

The fact remains that they have brought forth valid questions about Kerry's integrity, honesty, and war record that he stands behind like a shield.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=862286#862286

McGentrix wrote:

This topic certainly does bear further inspection. It's long been known Kerry has a large closet in which to hide A LOT of skeletons.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=892250#892250

That's just a quick search.

Again, I completely agree with you, and don't want to hold it against you that your opinions evolve.

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Like I said, it's a hot-button topic. When I said it should never have been brought up, I mean from Kerry. He should have said he was a Viet Nam Vet and that he earned his medals and then moved on. Instead, he was "reporting for duty!"

If one side is going to make jabs at the other, which normally occurs in a political campaign, then they should expect to be jabbed back.

That's why I try not to complain about the Bush draft dodging issue. I may try to refute it, but what's good for one side is good for the other.

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No no no, McGentrix. Kerry should never have brought up Vietnam?? At all? How does that work?

We've already been over the fact that Kerry has made it far less of a centerpiece of his campaign than as portrayed -- how much Vietnam was actually mentioned during the Democratic convention. And we've already also been over the "who started it" question -- whether it was valid for Kerry to highlight his service given what Bush was already dishing out. I started a topic on that, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg, or HE STARTED IT", we can continue that vein there if you'd like.

Don't worry about having your opinions evolve, it's a good thing. :-)

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I think the problem here is that McGentrix doesn't see the parallels between Vietnam and Iraq, and now the distinctions are beginning to blur even more here. Kerry's centerpiece isn't Vietnam, it's Iraq. The two wars will continue to merge into one giant quagmire started by a former coke head and alcoholic until 40, who NEVER aspired to be president, and who has surrounded himself by corporate fat cats who never served.

It's obvious that these idiots don't know what they're doing, and Kerry is succinctly pointing that out now.

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McGentrix wrote:

Glad to see that your vacation took the edge of your bitterness Frank... :wink:

Now, how can you compare running off the England with joining the National Guard?

A better question for you conservatives who made so much of the fact that Clinton avoided Vietnam...is...

...how can you compare getting preferential treatment to join the Air National Guard with actually going to Vietnam and facing the dangers.

Ahhh...in fairness to ya, I guess you poor deluded guys are stuck with trying to make the most of this situation.

What the hell...you folks never really cared about patriotism and a willingness to put one's self on the line in the defense of freedom or our country. You guys just like to talk about it.

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Regardless of the reasons, one served his country while the other ran away.

If the situation were reversed, I can just see the hypocrites of the right choking on something as laughable as this.

But as I said, you guys are pretty much stuck with this charade...

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Between Kerry and bush, both served their country and that should be that, but neither side will give the other any slack so the debate rages on.

If the situation were reversed, I can just see the hypocrites of the right choking on something as laughable as this.

But as I said, you guys are pretty much stuck with this charade...

:wink:

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Dookiestix, Question

The Iraq=Vietnam parallel is arguable, I think there are obvious similarities but also a lot of differences. But how is that "the problem here"? The last several exchanges were about McGentrix's evolving opinions about whether the SBVfT should have brought up Kerry's Vietnam service in the first place.

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