Bush's camp may cut 1 debate

Hypothetical debate questions.

When you were in the Senate you voted against the B1, B2, Apache, and funding our troops in Iraq, and more national defense bills . Why?

You have proposed to create 10 million new, high paying jobs in your first term. How, specifically, are you going to do that?

As a Senator you voted for the Prescription Drug Bill, now you are criticizing it. Why?

Answer those, au, and then pose hypothetical questions for Kerry to ask Bush, if you like.

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Larry434 wrote:

Hypothetical debate questions.

When you were in the Senate you voted against the B1, B2, Apache, and funding our troops in Iraq, and more national defense bills . Why?

Kerry:
Probably because I never did and I have a question for you, how did someone so totally misinformed get picked to ask questions at a presidential debate?

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larry

That is why there is a need for debates. The candidates talking at each other rather than to each other is the problem. As to the questions asked and the answers it is not up to me to design or answer.

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Larry434 wrote:

IMO, the strident and angry Kerry will fare worse than Sighing Al at the hands of the amiable Bush.

Larry, what did you think of ZigZag Zell's convention speech?

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Harper wrote:

Larry434 wrote:

IMO, the strident and angry Kerry will fare worse than Sighing Al at the hands of the amiable Bush.

Larry, what did you think of ZigZag Zell's convention speech?

I think the Dem who is disappointed and angry in the turn his beloved party has taken took the hide off Kerry with his delineation of Kerry's Senate votes against the weapon systems he cited and his voting against the funding to support our troops in Iraq.

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au1929 wrote:

larry

That is why there is a need for debates. The candidates talking at each other rather than to each other is the problem. As to the questions asked and the answers it is not up to me to design or answer.

Fair enough. I bet Kerry wishes he did not have to answer them as well. :wink:

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Harper wrote:

Larry434 wrote:
Hypothetical debate questions.

When you were in the Senate you voted against the B1, B2, Apache, and funding our troops in Iraq, and more national defense bills . Why?

Kerry:
Probably because I never did and I have a question for you, how did someone so totally misinformed get picked to ask questions at a presidential debate?

But the Senate record shows clearly he did vote against those weapons systems.

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larry, are you equally interested in how Cheney voted?
"Sometimes, we cast votes in anger at the process," (Sen John) McCain said. "We felt shut out at not being able to amend or make our own proposals."

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dyslexia wrote:

larry, are you equally interested in how Cheney voted?
"Sometimes, we cast votes in anger at the process," (Sen John) McCain said. "We felt shut out at not being able to amend or make our own proposals."

Any Senator can offer an amendment or even a substitute. I am sure it was frustrating to Kerry that he could garner no support for his position.

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so Larry you calling John McCain a liar?

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dyslexia wrote:

so Larry you calling John McCain a liar?

Why would you imagine that since I have not even mentioned McCain?

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Larry434 wrote:

When you were in the Senate you voted against the B1, B2, Apache, and funding our troops in Iraq, and more national defense bills . Why?

Well, this one is easy. Because I was supporting the president's recommendations, your father's recommendations, which were also the recommendations of Dick Cheney.

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FreeDuck wrote:

Larry434 wrote:
When you were in the Senate you voted against the B1, B2, Apache, and funding our troops in Iraq, and more national defense bills . Why?

Well, this one is easy. Because I was supporting the president's recommendations, your father's recommendations, which were also the recommendations of Dick Cheney.

Apples and oranges, but it would be a typical Kerry response.

Do you really think advocating limiting quantities of a weapons system is the same as voting to axe the system altogether?

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Is that your take on it?

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A 22 February 2004 Republican National Committee (RNC) research briefing includes the list of weapons systems found in this message and citations that purportedly support the claim that Senator Kerry voted to kill each one. But all the citations stem from votes on three Congressional bills, none of which were about a specific weapons system or group of weapons systems.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp

It seems the claim regarding Kerry's voting to axe the weapons systems has the status of urban legend now.

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FreeDuck wrote:

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A 22 February 2004 Republican National Committee (RNC) research briefing includes the list of weapons systems found in this message and citations that purportedly support the claim that Senator Kerry voted to kill each one. But all the citations stem from votes on three Congressional bills, none of which were about a specific weapons system or group of weapons systems.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp

It seems the claim regarding Kerry's voting to axe the weapons systems has the status of urban legend now.

Thanks for the link, duck.

Quoting from it:

SO WHICH IS IT? IS THE RECORD FAIR GAME OR NOT?

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against B-1 Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against B-2 Stealth Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-14. (H. R. 5803, CQ Vote #319: Adopted 80-17: R 37-6; D 43-11, 10/26/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-15. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-16. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against AV-8B Harrier Vertical Takeoff And Landing Jet Fighters. (H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against AH-64 Apache Helicopters. (H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against Patriot Missiles. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against Aegis Air Defense Cruiser. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against Trident Missile System For U.S. Submarines. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against M-1 Abrams Tanks. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against Bradley Fighting Vehicle. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

ü Sen. Kerry Voted Against Tomahawk Cruise Missile. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)

That these systems were included in a larger bill does not negate the fact that a vote against the bill was a vote against the sytem now does it?

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Larry434 wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
so Larry you calling John McCain a liar?

Why would you imagine that since I have not even mentioned McCain?

dyslexia wrote:
larry, are you equally interested in how Cheney voted?
"Sometimes, we cast votes in anger at the process," (Sen John) McCain said. "We felt shut out at not being able to amend or make our own proposals."
Larry wrote:
Any Senator can offer an amendment or even a substitute. I am sure it was frustrating to Kerry that he could garner no support for his position.

so larry you calling McCain a liar?

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Repeating, dys.

Why would you imagine that since I have not even mentioned McCain?

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Larry, couldn't see where you got that quote of yours from, must have missed it. I did see these however;

Bush 41

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The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward. AH-64 . . . forced the Army to make choices. I said, "You can't have all three. We don't have the money for all three." So I recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program two years out. That would save $1.6 billion in procurement and $200 million in spares over the next five years.

Cheney

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These people advocated axing the programs. Kerry voted agains an appropriations bill which included funding for them -- not for a bill which proposed axing them all together. So I guess you are right, apples and oranges.

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"Larry, couldn't see where you got that quote of yours from"

It was a link within your link, duck. I haven't checked all the cites, but I presume they are accurate and it is true that Kerry voted nay. And I do not deny that others did as well, and given the utility of the cited systems it is good they did not prevail, don't you think?

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