MyOwnUsername wrote:I might, but I think it's much faster if you re-read your posts.
Cut the smartass comments. You accused me of harboring "imperialist desires" so the onus is on you to explain the accusation or at the very least demonstrate its validity, else, aside from being rude, you're also full of crap.
MyOwnUsername wrote:"Greeks like you" - some groups and "powers" in Greece, that were among minority (luckily) in the world that was either supporting or at least protecting serbian agression on Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia - maybe due to traditional Serb-Greek friendship, and maybe, who knows, due to hope that Serbs will later "behave" if world goes further to chaos and Greece claims Macedonia is theirs.
FYI, Serbia and Greece's traditional alliance prooooobably has something to do with both peoples being Christian Orthodox, just like Turkey has always had a hand in the Balkans with their Muslim brethren. Unless this fact escapes you. Furthermore, let's not talk about Serbian aggression without mentioning Croatian and Muslim aggression as well, eh.
At any rate, you go ahead and pigeonhole everyone as you see fit. You have obviously demonstrated your bigotry and rudeness while failing to demonstrate absolutely anything about me.
MyOwnUsername wrote:My comment is not racistic. My comment is a bit clumsy and is not specific enough. That happens sometimes when you assume that people will stick with arguments and will not try to find every single chance to offend.
Really. And I though it happens when someone is bigoted. You still have failed to show where I was racist whereas I succintly pointed out YOUR racism.
Furthermore, demonstrate how I have not "stuck with the argument", else, yet again you are full of it. And show where I offended ONCE, much less "every single chance". If anything, you have been quite offensive yourself and if you cannot back up these accusations, it is perfect proof of it.
MyOwnUsername wrote:If you want wider explanation - that comment was sarcastic comment about your posts and opinions in such thread.
You were sarcastic about my posts and opinions eh. Thank you for admitting to rude behaviour.
MyOwnUsername wrote:By your posts Macedonia is clearly Greek, all until HofT (that might be Bulgarian but it's irelevant actually) told something that is opposing my opinion, but IS ALSO OPPOSING YOURS. Then you rushed to greet his opinion, despite the fact that it doesn't have anything to do with claims Greeks have about Macedonia
I'm trying hard not to laugh here with this.
1) What area do you mean by "Macedonia"? If you are referring to the FYROM, copy/paste where I ever said that FYROM
is Greek.
2) Point out where HofT's posts opposed mine. And don't tell me to go read myself. You claim something, prove it or you're full of it.
3) What claims do Greeks have about "Macedonia", and which "Macedonia" are you talking about?
MyOwnUsername wrote:It's pure and obvius fact that both Greece and Bulgaria are denying Macedonia's right to have its own name, its own flag and even its own history.
Just because your knowledge of Balkans history is spotty does not mean any of the above. First of all, demonstrate how the above is true. Second, FYROM can surely have its own name, flag and history, but
its own and not Greece's. FYROM can go and steal someone else's symbols, names and history, not ours. Us Greeks are more than happy to see FYROM being a good neighbour, its own sovereign state, trading partner and ally. It can surely have a flag and a name but not
ours.
Unless you can show me how the Vergina Sun was Slavic and not Phillip the II's. Now THAT I would really love to see.
MyOwnUsername wrote:Also, it's quite logical assumption that they are not loud in saying "Macedonia is actually our territory" only because of current geo-political situation. Therefore, it's quite logical assumption that in some different conditions, Bulgaria and Greece could directly clash over Macedonia (HofT says that in different and milder terms himself).
I've got news for you: it is no big secret that when the Yugoslavian civil war broke out, the Serbs offered FYROM to Greece if we joined the fight, but Greece
refused. Your "logical assumptions" hardly seem logical to me.
MyOwnUsername wrote:Your comment was, however, purely racistic. Your comment was that it's not surprising for Croat to make a racistic comment. That, my "friend", is pure racism. Fact that I am not Croat by nationality, and that I am not offended because long time ago I learned not to get offended on internet forums is irelevant.
You had said, copy/paste:
"Yup. How nice. Bulgarians and Greeks agreeing about Macedonia...They will probably hurry to hug each other - fully armed of course, across Macedonia."
In other words, Bulgarians and Greeks want to destroy Slavic Macedonians. Now if that isn't racist, I don't know what is.
My direct reply to this was, copy/paste it:
That racist comment, coming from a Croatian who admits to a lack of knowledge of Balkan history, is hardly surprising.
Well yes, Croatians, unknowledgeable Croatians at that, who say that us Greeks want to run over FYROM, are
obviously racist and it is
hardly surprising because you're hardly the first Croatian, whether by birthright or subsequent nationalization, or Slavic Macedonian, to spew such garbage about Greece wanting to run over FYROM.
MyOwnUsername wrote:My comment, with different words was: "Bulgarians and Greece both think that Macedonia is their territory".
Your comment, my dear man, hardly said that. It said that we Greeks would probably hurry to hug the Bulgarians, fully armed across the FYROM. Now that's a far cry from what you just said right now.
MyOwnUsername wrote:Your comment, with just slightly different words and same meaning was: "Croats are racists".
My comment, as I previously said, specifically stated that I am not surprised to hear a racist comment from a Croatian that doesn't know much about Balkan history.
MyOwnUsername wrote:No, you didn't. Read my question again. What you answered here is what problems Greece has with independent Macedonia. You didn't answered why Greece would not have such problems if Macedonia becomes Bulgarian province. I'm asking that since you were so happy with HofT's opinion, only because it opposes mine, despite the fact that it opposes yours as well.
Forgive me but I did not understand your question because of your English. Not that it's bad, in fact it is very good as it is not your native language but the way you were phrasing things there was very confusing. If I understood you correctly:
1. The issue of whether Bulgaria would absorb FYROM never entered OUR conversation of Greece and FYROM. We were discussing how FYROM is trying to claim our names and history. What this has to do with Bulgaria is beyond me.
2. What HofT was saying earlier on, and what I agreed with, was the fact that ethnic Bulgarians in the YRP tried to absorb Greece's province of Macedonia after WWII. See how these things have happened in recent history? So who's to say it won't happen again in the future? And this is why, aside from the principle of the matter, that Greece does not want FYROM to be legitimately recognized as "Macedonia". You STILL don't see our point of view on this, do you?
3.
Where did HofT's posts oppose my point of view?
However, you might be right on this one. This debate is becoming too nervous and too anxious. So, let's calm it down a little.
All I'm saying is that if there are some idiots (and idiots are everywhere) it's not that important.
