What makes John Kerry a good Candidate?

Mr Bain, Kerry is a skilled debater, he will destroy Bush, that is, if they debate, Bush has not even committed yet.
I suspect that the White House is hoping for some international crisis to occcur which would give them an excuse to call off the debates.

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Paul: Make nice to this rabble. Most are permanently out of touch anyway...if you get the drift. No use in unintentional insults,eh?
Denial keeps most of these Kerry fans in a suspended state of terminal denial. They really thought we would give them a pass and say nothing about the national embarrassment they think is a candidate. They still think we will meekly accept an aging quasi-athletic stud-muffin who punctuates his pratfalls with obscenities, constantly revises his growing lies,admits to committing atrocities and is proud of his career of opposing every bit of defense legislation for the past 20 years. A real WAR PRESIDENT.

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Chuckster wrote:

Denial keeps most of these Kerry fans in a suspended state of terminal denial.

This one took some real genius.

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They really thought we would give them a pass and say nothing about the national embarrassment they think is a candidate. They still think we will meekly accept an aging quasi-athletic stud-muffin who punctuates his pratfalls with obscenities, constantly revises his growing lies,admits to committing atrocities and is proud of his career of opposing every bit of defense legislation for the past 20 years. A real WAR PRESIDENT.

I'm wondering where all of this hostility is coming from. And that's the second time I've heard someone refer to Kerry's sexual prowess. Do you know something I don't? Last I checked he was married for the second time, but I don't know of any affairs or sleeping around. Enlighten me.

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It's hi, ho, hey, I am the bold marauder!
It's hi, ho, hey, I am the white destroyer!

For I will buy you silver and gold and I will bring you treasure,
And I will bring a widowing flag and I will be your lover;
And I will show you grotto and cave and sacrificial altar,
And I will show you blood on the stone and I will be your mentor.
And night will be our darling and fear will be our name.
For I will take you out by the hand and lead you to the hunter,
And I will show you thunder and steel and I will be your teacher;
And we will dress in helmet and sword, and dip our tongues in slaughter,
And we will sing a warrior's song and lift the praise of murder.
And Christ will be our darling and fear will be our name.
For I will sour the winds on high and I will soil the rivers,
And I will burn the grain in the fields and I will be your mother;
And I will go to ravage and kill and I will go to plunder,
And I will take a Fury to wife and I will be your father.
And Death will be our darling and fear will be our name.

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Chuckster wrote:

Paul: Make nice to this rabble. Most are permanently out of touch anyway...if you get the drift. No use in unintentional insults,eh?
Denial keeps most of these Kerry fans in a suspended state of terminal denial. They really thought we would give them a pass and say nothing about the national embarrassment they think is a candidate. They still think we will meekly accept an aging quasi-athletic stud-muffin who punctuates his pratfalls with obscenities, constantly revises his growing lies,admits to committing atrocities and is proud of his career of opposing every bit of defense legislation for the past 20 years. A real WAR PRESIDENT.

Chuckster...you are a real sweetheart...and the rabble recognizes an intentional insult when they see it...especially the kind delivered without the nerve to deliver it straight out....we've had almost four years of an administration that shits on us without the balls to be upfront about it after all..... :wink:

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Chuckster
As one of your so called rabble I predict that Kerry will chop up Bush and spit him out in any fair debate. That presupposes that Bush's handlers wont find a way to cancel them. Bush will have to defend a failed presidency. How will he do that with his usual brilliant responses? You know the fodder that comedians feast on.

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Bush's handlers know he cannot handle anything extemporaneously, so if the "debates" do occur, they'll be carefully structured so as to avoid putting him in the position of having to think on the spot and/or articulate a meaningful response. Which is why the "debates" will be a complete waste of time.

I think most Americans know this, and will be seriously tuning any "debates" out. More to the point, because of Bush's extraordinarily divisive policies accross the board of domestic and international issues, most Americans have already made up their minds about their votes.

Here's something to ponder:

If everyone who voted for Gore last time votes for Kerry this time (and I think it's reasonable to assume they will), and if some/many people who voted for Bush last time will not do so again (as I will not), then the only way Bush can win is to either draw out people who didn't vote last time (but do they care enough to come out?) or to try somehow to "fix" the elections in key states (but that would be unethical and illegal ......................).

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Like the ones in 2000? The ones where Bush destroyed the great orater Gore?

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I'm sure you can provide a link or a quote, McG, because from what I remember everyone was acting like Gore was a bully for ripping him apart.

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Gore must have left his answers in the lockbox.

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The great Orator Gore? Are you joking?

Gore is a good orator, but only great in comparison to Bush. Kerry is in another league altogether from both of them.

I doubt Bush will have the sac to do a debate, and I guarantee he won't take un-scripted questions.

Cycloptichorn

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Haven't the two campaigns already agreed to three debates? My understanding is that they even have the locations already set, which is a pretty big deal given how much wrangling there was between Gore and Bush in 2000 over which city it would take place.

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guarantee, huh?

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It's a guarantee I'd love to default on, McG...

Bush would have a hard time with some of the questions that could be asked him... you know that unscripted questions are not exactly his cup of tea...

Cycloptichorn

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Bush has no problem recounting his plans or ideas or foriegn policy philosophy. You may not like them--but he is very sure of them.

Kerry will have to finally answer to why he voted in such a way as to undercut the 'plans' he says he has. He may be the smartest human being on the planet--but that will not give him one speck of help when he is faced with having to reconcile what he has done, with what he says he will do.

He will suffer from the "I voted for it, before I voted against it" syndrome...on nationally televised debates.

He says he would do the same thing Bush is doing,...only *differently*... He will have to make sense of that ridiculous statement.

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Can't wait to see it. [rubs hands together]

I mean really... Sofia... HONESTLY... you think live, unscripted Bush will be a good thing?

I'm so looking forward to it for just that reason, to get 'em both from behind their handlers and surrogates and speak directly. Have you seen that thread called "Do you hear what I hear?" It's great, showing some of the ways that Bush and Cheney have misquoted Kerry, so that Bush supporters know the misquotes and out-of-context cut offs and not the originals.

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If you are tallying verbal gaffes, you may have fun...

But, yes, I'm confident that Bush knows his own mind about the issues he's been dealing with, and his future plans. He doesn't need a script--perhaps a lesson in pronunciation and grammar...

Kerry will need a script to remind him of all his varying positions, and how to morph his opposing votes into something believable, when faced with his own Presidential 'plans'...

No memory could possibly keep all that mess straight.

<rubbing hands, as well>

(Really can't wait.)

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Oh, I REALLY can't wait.

There are a lot of questions that Bush would be hard-put to answer. Questions about, say, the economy, or the Iraq war, or that guy, what was his name? Oh yeah, Osama Bin Laden.

How about asking Bush to defend the 'clean skies act?' I'd love to see that one.

Given that the debates are not really going to swing most voters, they exist for the purpose of persuading those voters who havn't made up their minds yet. Kerry is a master debater (hee hee); Bush, as you put is, needs 'lessons in pronunciation and grammar.' Who do you think is going to be more convincing?

Cycloptichorn

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I think it's quite the opposite, Sofia -- that Kerry's convictions are arrived at after careful deliberation and are from his own mind. Bush, on the other hand, has several very strongly held GENERAL convictions, but has little patience or mind for the details, and so is the one who needs to have someone with large cue cards telling him what to say if there is anything beyond general platitudes heavy on "faith" and "strength".

He'll practice, to be sure, but if the debates have any teeth to them -- anything vaguely like that Irish interviewer -- he'll positively disintegrate.

Sure hope they'll have teeth. Doubt it.

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Can you pay someone to just show that Irish interview? Laughing

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