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What makes John Kerry a good Candidate?

 
 
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 07:38 am
Woa, that was some creative interpretation. I'm looking for a credible source that says that Kerry has admitted to committing atrocities -- anyone have that?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 07:42 am
FreeDuck -

I typed in three simple words...

Kerry
his
atrocities

I got 83,700 hits in .31 seconds.

Have fun reading.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 07:50 am
JW, if you're talking about this, it doesn't sound so bad to me. Is he guilty of committing atrocities just because he went to Vietnam and did what all those who went were ordered to do?

http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html

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There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 07:57 am
Quote:
JW, if you're talking about this, it doesn't sound so bad to me. Is he guilty of committing atrocities just because he went to Vietnam and did what all those who went were ordered to do?


He says he is.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 08:05 am
It still doesn't sound like much -- certainly not enough to change my vote.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 08:19 am
Like you were really looking for a reason to change it LOL.

That's ok Smile Being on the losing side isn't the end of the world. We've all been there Smile

Just, if you can, refrain from the "we got robbed" mantra on 11/3. It's enough to make one ill.
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 08:22 am
Sorry you're sick JW, but the truth is this election is about national security not Vietnam attrocities.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 08:23 am
Hey, if you can lay off the 'ever since 9/11' mantra, I can lay off the 'we got robbed' mantra -- easy since I've never said it. Actually, I would change my mind if there were a good reason, but the slime job against Kerry is just reinforcing my impression of this administration.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 08:27 am
JustWonders wrote:
FreeDuck (typed that VERY carefully LOL) -

Sorry you're sick, but the truth is this election will most likely be about national security. If it makes you feel better, perhaps some who are still on the fence will realize the economy is indeed improving, unemployment is down, the tax cuts ARE working, etc.

But...once in the voting booth, my feeling is most will ask themselves who makes them feel safer.

By the way...that mountain you're on must really be isolated if you truly haven't heard of the atrocities Hanoi John has admitted to.


No kidding, Panzade.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 08:37 am
Some of the reasons he's a good candidate:

- Experience.
- Intelligence.
- Ability to work with Republicans as well as Democrats.
- Ability to work with foreign leaders.
    re: the latter two, he has a history of making quite an impression on the sort of old boy's club types that actually get things done -- Nixon was well and truly spooked by him.

- Ability to combine strength with wisdom (apologies to B.C.)
- Holds positions I personally agree with on the environment, abortion, education, homeland security, and a host of other issues, and has a voting record to back it all up.
- Gravitas vs. Bush the party hearty nicknaming frat boy.

That's just a quick list. He got my vote the minute it looked like he had the best chance of beating Bush, but I've done a lot of research on him and am happy to vote him INTO the presidency, not just vote Bush out.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 08:40 am
Thank you, soz. That pretty much sums it up for me.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 09:51 am
sozobe wrote:
Some of the reasons he's a good candidate:


- Ability to work with foreign leaders.


Yep.

http://www.shopmetrospy.com/graphics/Product_96_PrSpare2.jpg
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 09:57 am
Should have seen that one coming.
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 10:01 am
Embarrassed
Why I'm a dunce in political threads...
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 10:06 am
Number one reason he's a good candidate............the reason that trumps all....

He's not george bush

There are many reasons sozobe listed...all good and valuable......but although I am more a libertarian than a democrat......all partisan differences must be put aside to remove this dunce, puppet, psycho, NWO dictator wannabe , sold out whore to business guy currently occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue when he's not busy in Crawford doing what he loves best....destroying vegetation.

You can't tweak the system if it's destroyed. IMO
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 10:12 am
You have anything empirical to back up that button of yours, JW?

What I've seen indicates that at least Osama would much prefer Bush stick around and keep up the stellar recruitment efforts... and the others, like Kim, have as much if not more to fear in practical terms from Kerry than Bush.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 10:24 pm
sozobe wrote:
You have anything empirical to back up that button of yours, JW?

What I've seen indicates that at least Osama would much prefer Bush stick around and keep up the stellar recruitment efforts... and the others, like Kim, have as much if not more to fear in practical terms from Kerry than Bush.


There was a poll a couple of months ago that showed 60% of Americans thought the terrorists would be happier with Kerry. I believe 25% said the terrorists would prefer Bush.

Since Kerry keeps going around saying he's talked to a "lot" of foreign leaders who tell him he's "just got to win", yet refuses to name them, refuses to say where or when he met them, then I just surmised the group on the button must be the ones LOL.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 10:55 pm
sozobe wrote:
Some of the reasons he's a good candidate:

- Experience. - At what?
- Intelligence. - He is intelligent, but so are a lot of people.
- Ability to work with Republicans as well as Democrats. As evidenced by what? I hope you're not suggesting that his relationship with McCain is proof positive of this assertion.
- Ability to work with foreign leaders. As evidence by what? His ability to speak French? His willingness to make the UN a partner in US foreign policy?

    re: the latter two, he has a history of making quite an impression on the sort of old boy's club types that actually get things done -- Nixon was well and truly spooked by him.


- Ability to combine strength with wisdom (apologies to B.C.) As evidenced by...?

- Holds positions I personally agree with on the environment, abortion, education, homeland security, and a host of other issues, and has a voting record to back it all up. Now we have it! Still, a worthy reason to vote for him.

- Gravitas vs. Bush the party hearty nicknaming frat boy. Perhaps you are confusing constipation with gravitas.

That's just a quick list. He got my vote the minute it looked like he had the best chance of beating Bush, but I've done a lot of research on him and am happy to vote him INTO the presidency, not just vote Bush out.

Good for you - seriously. It's always more healthy to vote for rather than against.
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Mr Bain
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 11:24 pm
I'm not sure Kerry is going to come off well in the debates. He's the kind of candidate who maybe solid on paper and have a great story, but has a dismal television style. John Kerry is the opposite of Edwards, who is unimpressive on paper, but excellent on television.

Kerry is a big guy. He's about 6'4 and a has a large frame. In the debates, it will look like the big bully from Massachusetts in beating up on the commander-and-chief from Texas. At least, this is my concern.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2004 05:19 am
That was certainly the case with Gore in 2000, and I was sort of afraid that would happen this time too. But this time Bush is president and he's had 4 years to prepare.
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