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Bernie Sanders: I'll do anything to break up big banks, but I won't do that.

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2016 07:53 pm
@Olivier5,
ditto
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2016 02:24 am
@Robert Gentel,
Anti-trust laws, capitalism generating its own contradictions, and all that.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2016 02:26 am
@revelette2,
That was just a lame, irrational excuse. The US cannot vote against Israel in the UN, period. It's as simple as that.
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2016 05:46 am
@Olivier5,
You realize you are arguing with yourself, do you not? I said the excuse made no sense. Like I said, I like Obama, but I never thought he was perfect, there are quite a few areas where he has fallen short of expectations.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2016 09:10 am
@revelette2,
I was agreeing with you. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2016 09:52 am
@Olivier5,
Ok, sorry, probably me. Been a rough couple of days here.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2016 10:40 am
@revelette2,
I can see that... People are getting touchy.

Been thinking of the dynamic on A2K. One thing is that it gets everybody on edge. Another is that this debate is reshuffling the cards. Posters who usually agree together may find themselves on two different sides of the democratic primary debate, and people who usually disagree find themselves awkwardly on the same side of this debate... I know this is happening to me, and it proves how foolish the idea of "blocks" or "alliances" of posters is.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 01:50 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
His reasoning was if Palestine gets what they want without a peace settlement then no concessions will be made.

And he was right. Land for peace doesn't mean the Palestinians get their state without also making peace.

Israel will impose some extremely harsh measures if the Palestinians succeed in getting their state outside the peace process. A likely response will be for Israel to seize control over Area B and confine the Palestinian state to Area A alone.


revelette2 wrote:
But since it was symbolic, there would have still needed a peace settlement to make it official so I don't understand that reasoning.

It wasn't symbolic. It paved the way for the Palestinians to start filing bogus war crime accusations against Israel.

This makes it even more difficult to restart the peace process. The Palestinians see another weapon they think they can use to get their state without making peace, so they aren't going to bother with the peace process for awhile. And the Israelis are already sick of all the lies and false accusations -- a round of false war crimes charges is just going to make even more Israelis give up on the peace process.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 01:57 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
My reasons for not wanting to support Hillary are well-thought out. Please tell me if you see any fact-based reasons that I am wrong (of course you are free to disagree with me on my opinions).

- She has in the past supported war, and her foreign policy continues to be hawkish.

That's a good thing. We live in a dangerous neighborhood, and need to stand up for ourselves when the bad guys cause trouble.


maxdancona wrote:
- She strongly supports Israel and has said so herself. This includes her unwillingness to publicly pressure Israel's settler policy (which I find quite troubling).

Why would their settler policy be troubling? So long as the Palestinians refuse to make peace, Israel might as well use the land to their own benefit.

Support for Israel is good. They are our friends and are fellow good guys.

Sanders' position on Israel will be virtually identical to Hillary's position.


maxdancona wrote:
- She has already ruled out single payer health care.

What is it about the term "single payer" that makes the Left switch off their brains?

There are several ways of structuring universal health care. There is nothing special about a single payer system.


maxdancona wrote:
- She has come late to several areas of social justice, and tends to take moderate positions that aren't politically risky.

This one's a tad vague.
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