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Women US Soccer Players Sue for Equal Wages

 
 
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 22 Mar, 2019 09:41 am
@maxdancona,
I know the economic theory. Cite your sources regarding the revenue. You're making generic statements without backing anything up.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 22 Mar, 2019 09:55 am
@tsarstepan,
You can google this as well as I can....
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/03/07/world-cup-soccer-pay-disparity-between-men-and-women-is-justified/#580c42866da4

The question is does it matter. If you really know "the economic theory" do you accept that if the long term revenue for the men is greater (over at least a 4 year period) that the salaries for men should be greater?

You all are starting with a non-economic principal, and then you are cherry-picking whatever numbers you can find to support your political position.

The basic economic numbers are pretty straightforward. Revenue from men over any significant period of time is much greater then revenue from women.

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sherifsaadlaw
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2019 04:10 am
@engineer,
US Soccer federation is so biased with women players. They should also deserve the equal right and wages.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jun, 2019 09:27 am
Just going to drop this news here... for ... ya know.... Surprised Just because. Laughing
U.S. Women's Soccer Sets 13-0 FIFA Record In First Game, Beating Thailand
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jun, 2019 09:28 am
@tsarstepan,
I guess that means the Thai women don't have any right to ask for equal wages.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jun, 2019 09:31 am
I think the obvious solution is to split US Soccer in two completely separate self-sufficient entities. US Woman's soccer will be responsible for raising revenue, paying players, marketing and developing youth soccer on its own.

If it is true that the economics support it, then women can be paid as highly (perhaps more highly) than the men.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jun, 2019 09:36 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I guess that means the Thai women don't have any right to ask for equal wages.

I am well known detractor of soccer. A nihilist in this one area. If one national soccer team falls completely apart? That's one less soccer team. Wink


maxdancona wrote:

I think the obvious solution is to split US Soccer in two completely separate self-sufficient entities. US Woman's soccer will be responsible for raising revenue, paying players, marketing and developing youth soccer on its own.

If it is true that the economics support it, then women can be paid as highly (perhaps more highly) than the men.


Breaking up the USSF might work to resolve some or parts of the questioned issues here.

((Conquering and/or dividing all things national soccer?Sounds like a plan to me. Insert evil monomaniacal villain laugh here))
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2019 05:27 am
@tsarstepan,
Well after last night’s US win over France, on French home turf, they did a lot for their cause. I’m no fan of soccer in general but that was a good game. On to play the British and even more credibility.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2019 07:11 am
@Ragman,
It was probably the best match of this football championship.

However, the US team doesn't play "the British" next but the English team! (There is no British or UK football team, but Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England play with their own national teams.)
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2019 09:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Tomato toma-to. Seriously, I’m quite aware of the difference. These soccer teams are made up of multi-nationals. Much ado about nothing.

Furthermore, I wonder how many USA-ian’s there are on the US-team? How many actual French there are on this French team (as opposed to a business arrangement of multi-nationals?). Many teams have a multinational blend.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2019 10:25 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:
Furthermore, I wonder how many USA-ian’s there are on the US-team? How many actual French there are on this French team (as opposed to a business arrangement of multi-nationals?). Many teams have a multinational blend.
Well, all those teams are national teams, all players have the nationality of the country they play for. Wikipedia: FIFA eligibility rules
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2019 10:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You’ve missed my point, though , frankly, I don’t know if it was intentional. Teams are labeled as being from these countries and fans root for their home county’s teams. Fans cling to this cloak of nationalism but in truth they’re millionaire multinationals to a great degree.

Back to the point of the thread - I was pleased as a sports fan (in general) to see and enjoy a soccer game . This is a sport which I rarely follow. Good job and accolades go to the broadcasters, players, teams mercy sakes, even the officiating. Though my expectations are low for similar experience s with watching men’s competition.

I just read on USA Today that they consider this the greatest game in the history of women’s soccer. A bit of hyperbole considering the competition in which Mia Hamm participated around 1990.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jun, 2019 10:55 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:
You’ve missed my point, though , frankly, I don’t know if it was intentional. Teams are labeled as being from these countries and fans root for their home county’s teams. Fans cling to this cloak of nationalism but in truth they’re millionaire multinationals to a great degree.
Well, I thought, I answered to your point.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2019 02:30 pm
@Ragman,
In the US, that is a lot more true of the pro game than the national teams. I can't think of one non-US transplant on the Women's National Team. I can't speak for the French and English teams.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2019 02:33 pm
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:

Fans cling to this cloak of nationalism but in truth they’re millionaire multinationals to a great degree.

So this is really not true of the women's game. A few of the European and North American players have endorsement contracts but the salary of women soccer players world over is pretty abysmal compared to the men hence the topic of the thread.

The US/England game was pretty thrilling right to the end. The look on the US goalie's face when she blocked that PK was amazing. I think the US team needs a good name. The English are the "lionesses", the French are "Les Bleus". The US is going to have to work on a good name to match the good play.
lmur
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jul, 2019 05:41 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

I think the US team needs a good name. The English are the "lionesses", the French are "Les Bleus". The US is going to have to work on a good name to match the good play.


"World Cup Champions" isn't too shabby.
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lmur
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jul, 2019 11:02 am
Watched both semi-finals and the final. Never again.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jul, 2019 06:54 am
Article from the Washington Post updating some of the numbers for the 2017 collective bargaining agreement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/08/are-us-womens-soccer-players-really-earning-less-than-men/?utm_term=.976fe5208448
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Katheline Lee
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jul, 2019 10:20 am
@engineer,
We should fight for it. For equal wages. The problem of unpaid wages exists too. Thousands of employees are victims of it. You work hard, work overtime, and when you get your paycheck you figure out that not only haven’t you been paid overtime but you also haven’t even been paid for all your regular hours. My friend faced such situation right after she found job of her dreams (as she thought). I don't really understand this world
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sat 2 May, 2020 04:37 am
Judge dismisses US women's national soccer team's claim for equal pay
BY LI COHEN

MAY 1, 2020 / 10:33 PM / CBS NEWS

The U.S. women's national soccer team has been fighting for months to receive the same rate of pay as their male counterparts. On Friday, a judge dismissed the claim for equal pay, but said that other allegations of discrimination can proceed to trial.

U.S. District Judge R Gary Klausner said he would not allow the equal pay allegations to go forward because the women's national team previously "rejected an offer to be paid under the same pay-to-play structure" as the men's national team. According to CBS Sports, the women's team sought $66 million under the Equal Pay Act and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

"The WNT was willing to forgo higher bonuses for benefits, such as greater base compensation and the guarantee of a higher number of contracted players," he wrote in the 32-page decision. "Accordingly, plaintiffs cannot now retroactively deem their CBA (collective bargaining agreement) worse than the MNT (men's national team) CBA by reference to what they would have made had they been paid under the MNT's pay-to-play terms structure when they themselves rejected such a structure."

The team's claims that the U.S. Soccer Federation discriminated against them regarding the money spent on commercial airfare, hotel accommodations and medical and training support services will go to trial in federal court in Los Angeles. The trial is scheduled for June 16, according to the Associated Press.

In a statement to CBS News, U.S. Soccer said it looks forward to working with the Women's National Team "to chart a positive path forward to grow the game both here at home and around the world."

"U.S. Soccer has long been the world leader for the women's game on and off the field, and we are committed to continuing that work to ensure our Women's National Team remains the best in the world and sets the standard for women's soccer," they said.

U.S. Soccer argued in court documents that the U.S. women's team had less responsibility than the men's, and that men's soccer requires more skill. The women's team has won four FIFA World Cups and four Olympic medals. The men's team has not won either, according to the national soccer team's site.

The federation argued that "the overall soccer-playing ability required to compete at the senior men's national team level is materially influenced by the level of certain physical attributes, such as speed and strength, required for the job," according to the documents.

They also argued that the male and female players have "materially different jobs," as the men's team has to deal with more hostile fans during international games.

Former U.S. Soccer President Carlos Cordeiro resigned just days after the documents were filed, saying he "didn't have the opportunity to fully review the filing in its entirety before it was submitted."

"The arguments and language contained in this week's legal filing caused great offense and pain, especially to our Women's National Team players who deserve better. It was unacceptable and inexcusable," Cordeiro said.

Molly Levinson, a spokesperson for the USWNT, posted on Twitter that the team is "shocked and disappointed" with the judge's ruling, but that they do not plan to give up on getting equal pay.

"We are confident in our case and steadfast in our commitment to ensuring that girls and women will not be valued as lesser just because of their gender," she tweeted. "We have learned that there are tremendous obstacles to change; we know that it takes bravery and courage and perseverance to stand up to them."


mollylevinson
@mollylevinson
1/2 We are shocked and disappointed with today's decision, but we will not give up our hard work for equal pay. We are confident in our case and steadfast in our commitment to ensuring that girls and women will not be valued as lesser just because of their gender.
7:42 PM - May 1, 2020

USWNT players have also responded to the ruling. Co-captain and forward Megan Rapinoe, who has helped spearhead the team's fight, tweeted, "We will never stop fighting for EQUALITY."


Megan Rapinoe

@mPinoe
We will never stop fighting for EQUALITY.
8:01 PM - May 1, 2020

Fellow forward Tobin Heath tweeted, "This team never gives up and we're not going to start now."


Tobin Heath

@TobinHeath
This team never gives up and we’re not going to start now. #USWNT 💪🏽 https://twitter.com/mollylevinson/status/1256368399518703617

mollylevinson
@mollylevinson
1/2 We are shocked and disappointed with today's decision, but we will not give up our hard work for equal pay. We are confident in our case and steadfast in our commitment to ensuring that girls and women will not be valued as lesser just because of their gender.
7:55 PM - May 1, 2020
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