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The Circus in Chicago

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 03:25 am
Some silly kids go to a Trump rally for shits and giggles.

I think everyone, especially Trump supporters, shoul read his remarks.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/11/1499735/-Trump-Rally-No-Joking-Matter?detail=facebook
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 03:41 am
A more in-depth view of Chicago.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago
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Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 03:52 am
Today Paddy Power, a UK betting site, is giving these odds on the next US President:

Clinton 1 to 2
Trump 3 to 1
Sanders 12 to 1 (shortened from 14 to 1 in the last few days).
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 09:39 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
You were right about the use of "thug," though the sentiment of your statement really resonated as thug to me - you eventually used the word "brown shirt," but it wasn't really a gotcha word or phrase that compelled a response to me.

It was what you were saying.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

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the professional protesters appeared on cue to create incidents that they hoped would lead to violence.

The students were definitely not "professional." You seem to have your mind made up about a few things that led me to assess your motivations as anti-protester. Because they're politically active - some in the Bernie movement, some in the Blacklivesmatter movement. They're making a difference, but they aren't pros. And they circulated a message to all who would go to avoid violence.

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Cable TV, unwittingly or otherwise, played its role by televising the "event" as if it were a riot, repeatedly playing, over and over again, clips of the few violent incidents that did occur.

I think we should all see what Trump has incited his followers to do. He's actually instructed his crowds to be rough with protesters and promised to pay their bills if they're arrested. Do you think it shouldn't be shown? Your opinion on this seems to put you in the Trump camp. I don't understand why you'd blame those protesting abuse instead of those who are doing the abusing.

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They also brought in all manner of pundits and politicians to discuss the subject that had been so obviously teed up for them: "Does Trump's rhetoric incite violence?"

We should be talking about it. Don't you agree?

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Even on FOX the commentators who stressed, what is undeniably true; that this was a staged incident with professional actors

It is certainly not true. Those kids are well-known around campus and Chicago.

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Megan Kelly, who I usually find to be fairly evenhanded despite making it clear on which side of an issue she falls, was hell bent on making the story all about Trump.

It IS all about Trump.

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And of course Cable TV is today talking about nothing but Chicago and Trump which is usually what he wants, but not this time I think. Democrats are on every show warning America of Trump and his brown shirts, even though this time around the brown shirts were carrying Bernie Sanders, Black Lives Matter, and MoveOn.org signs.

They were responding to violence against minorities at Trump rallies, and I'm so thankful someone has the bravery to stand in the face of fascism before it gets elected to the presidency. It's so hard to imagine someone seeing this differently, unless they support Trump and the hatred that's going on in those rallies.

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Certainly he will make hay about "Paid thugs depriving me and my supporters of the First Amendment right!"

The only paid thugs were those paid by Trump.

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I do think that some Republican who didn't support Trump before last night will be moved by the disgusting circus to reconsider. It had me thinking.

This is sad, but it explains your perspective. You just don't like those kids. Weren't you upset to see that old redneck suckerpunch the black kid? Weren't you horrified to see a young woman pushed and shoved by several old white men? You know Trump incited that behavior and supported it - and you think HE is the injured one?

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It's tempting to consider last night as evidence that the Left is less honorable and more capable of subterfuge and deceit than the Right, but this would be a mistake to the extent that while the Left may be more skilled than the Right with the tactics on display here, the Right has always had a set of its own to employ. The problem is that the Left's is more effective in this day and age and the Right either can't or won't learn how to use them.

I have high school students who are afraid of what their world is turning into. They see a very popular man, who obviously hates them, has amassed a violent hate-filled crowd around him who beat men and women down in his rallies. i would not want to be black or Muslim in America right now.






maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 09:49 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I have high school students who are afraid of what their world is turning into. They see a very popular man, who obviously hates them, has amassed a violent hate-filled crowd around him who beat men and women down in his rallies. i would not want to be black or Muslim in America right now.


I don't understand you at all. You say this and you recognize that the impact of a Trump presidency would be bad for individuals you know and likely care for. You say that children could be harmed by this man.

....and yet YOU are willing to not vote for his opposition should Clinton win the nomination.

That is a very callous and uncompassionate decision....borderline psychopathic.

You're going to be faced with two choices in November, one of them may not be Sanders. The other one will take the country into a ditch in many aspects. If you choose to sit this one out, you're AS responsible for what happens as the people who vote for Trump are. Arguably even more, since you're not ignorant to the potential chaos.

When you mindlessly spout #bernieorbust, you recognize that 'bust' means that people you love will be harmed in the process right?
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 09:54 am
@maporsche,
Based on your reasoning, you must vote for Bernie to avoid psychopathy.

It's not too late.

Well. It might reverse the mental decline into your particular madness.

Anyway, you can try it.

maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 10:00 am
@Lash,
Just stop Lash. I will do the adult thing and vote for the candidate who I believe will help the country more in November (or maybe harm it less). I will not sit this one out. I will happily and gladly vote for Sanders if he's an option on the Democratic ticket.

I will vote for anyone on the left that will keep Trump/Cruz/Rubio out of the presidential office.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 10:05 am
@Lash,
You see someone like Trump, who you say is a fascist, and his rise to power and possibly one vote away from being the most powerful man in the world. You have the chance to vote against him by voting for the only real opposition with a chance to win.

You sit out or write in another candidate.

You won't feel any guilt at all if he wins and the world burns?


...and people wonder how some people get elected into office and they wonder how stupid the citizens of America can be to elect a guy like Trump. Well, we don't need to look any further than Lash and people who spout #bernieorbust. THAT is how stupid American's can be.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 10:17 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The Sanders people didn't use violence. They were exercising their right to free speech and assembly.

Video proves they were attacked by rabid Trump fans.

Trump has been recorded in several instances inciting violence against minorities. I think his ride is finally over.

That's what you saw and read. I saw two instances of anti-Trump people rushing the stage when he was speaking, I saw an anti-Trump protester rip a sign out of a Trump supporter's hands, and read one first-hand account of an anti-Trump protester walking up behind an exiting Trump supporter and punching him in the back. I don't remember which were Chicago and which were Ohio. Where are the Trump supporters disrupting Clinton or Sanders rallies?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 10:20 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Would the incitement by the Hutu extremists to murder Tutsi people which led to the 1994 Rwandan Genocide have fallen under your declaration of "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"?

Only exhortations to imminent violence are excepted. The political process in this country doesn't work by preventing people you don't agree with from assembling and speaking. Anti-trump protesters using violence to disrupt his rallies doesn't constitute Trump being violent.
Blickers
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 10:46 am
@Brandon9000,
Anti-Trump protestors didn't use violence. They were peaceful and the Trump crowd went after them-as they have many times.
Blickers
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 10:59 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
The precipitating reason for so many protestors to show up was the violence that was inflicted on anti-Trump protestors all along. Two major incidents were flooding the airwaves and the internet in particular. One was punch thrown to the face of a black protestor being evicted, followed by the protestor, not the puncher, being forcibly arrested. The other was a black girl being pushed over and over up a ramp while being evicted from a Trump rally. Given these occurrences, it is not surprising that anti-Trump protestors showed up in numbers to prevent such things happening again. Here are the two incidents that were being played on the air:




And here is the other:


Given these incidents, how can you blame the Trump protestors for being violent? They are the victims of crowd violence. And with emotions so high at the treatment of these black victims by the mostly white crowds, why would Trump purposely hold a rally at a college in downtown Chicago? Trump wanted trouble at his rallies, he encouraged it.


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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 11:15 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Anti-Trump protestors didn't use violence. They were peaceful and the Trump crowd went after them-as they have many times.

Really? What's this video, then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06d4t1704N8
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Jedidiah_Chicago-371852591.html
Blickers
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 11:42 am
@Brandon9000,
The first event, which happened Saturday AFTER Trump canceled the day before, consists of a man rushing the stage and Secret Service or Trump's security handling him easily. What does this have to do with previous protestors who didn't rush the stage getting pushed and beaten by Trump's crowd as they are escorted out?

The second video only shows a man being restrained from talking onstage AFTER the crowd was told that Trump wasn't going to be there. Going up to address the crowd after finding the event has been canceled is no big deal-it's not being very polite, but it's a minor thing. Being pushed and beaten for using your First Amendment right by the Trump crowd acting like animals is a big deal.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 12:08 pm
@maporsche,
American's denotes possession. The plural form of Americans doesn't take an apostrophe making your post situationally ironic.

So thanks for playing.

You don't tell me how to vote.
maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 12:14 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

American's denotes possession. The plural form of Americans doesn't take an apostrophe making your post situationally ironic.

So thanks for playing.

You don't tell me how to vote.


Lash, just stop. #childrenplease

I'm not telling you how to vote; I'm explaining that you're going to hold some responsibility if a person you describe as fascist gets into office.

When your future students ask you, "How did your generation let this happen to our country?", you can explain to them the #bernieorbust philosophy and feel all smug about yourself while they're eating beans and rice and reading from christian textbooks that are 15 years old.



Q. How stupid are Americans?
A. #bernieorbust stupid
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 12:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Trump winning is not my idea of things turning out OK.

I'm not entirely comfortable with Mr. Trump's trade policies, so he isn't exactly perfect from my perspective either. But it's going to be SO nice to have a President who respects the Constitution again.

And to have such a devastating blow struck against the party that hates the Constitution.... it's just going to be a net positive.


Part of Mr. Trump winning such a resounding victory over the Democrats means that he will have the power to re-shape the Republican Party. I can understand how that might be disquieting to people who are used to Reagan-style conservatism. But the 1980s are long past. The Republicans are going to be leading America through the first half of the 21st century. A thorough revamp will do the party a lot of good and help them to meet the challenges ahead.

Look at it this way. It's going to be better to be part of a revamped Republican Party than to be part of the party that's going to be shut out of power for 20 years.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 12:25 pm
@oralloy,
Sorry, but Trump is splitting the party. That's good for everybody else.
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 01:44 pm
@maporsche,
Vote Bernie!
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2016 02:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Sorry, but Trump is splitting the party. That's good for everybody else.

Mr. Trump is remaking the Republican Party. Republicans who like the party as it is do not like that. But in the end, the newly-remade Republican Party will shut the Democrats out of power for 20 years.

And when the Democrats finally do, in the end, manage to return to power, it will be a much-chastened party that won't be nominating any more Constitution-hating Liberals.
 

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