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When will Bernie give up his candidacy?

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2016 01:10 pm
@RABEL222,
I think it is unlikely that the house will swing back this election. We won't know until we get closer with an actual top of the ticket for both parties.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2016 01:11 am
@parados,
I keep saying 10 years after the next census.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2016 05:00 am
Bernie's only hope is the FBI. Good luck with that, Bernie.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2016 08:21 am
Ezra Klein takes a look at the strategy for Mr. Sanders to stay viable

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/19/11465392/bernie-sanders-superdelegates

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There is, to say the least, a certain amount of tension between two of the arguments the Bernie Sanders campaign made today.

First, Sanders blasted New York's primary for being closed to independents. "Today, 3 million people in the state of New York who are independents have lost their right to vote in the Democratic or Republican primary," Bernie Sanders said. "That’s wrong."

But later that same night, Sanders's campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, went on MSNBC and said that the campaign's plan is to win the election by persuading superdelegates to dump Hillary Clinton.



Quote:
This isn't the first time the Sanders campaign has previewed this strategy. They began talking about it in March, arguing that if they could finish the primaries strong, then even if they trailed Clinton in delegates they could use their strong poll numbers, tremendous small-donor fundraising, and general momentum to persuade superdelegates to switch sides and hand them the nomination.

And fair enough. It's an incredibly unlikely stratagem — superdelegates are the very definition of the Democratic Party establishment, which is why Clinton has an enormous advantage among them — but it's completely within the rules of the game.

It is, however, a bit unseemly for Sanders to blast New York's primary for barring independent voters only to have his campaign manager go out and say they're explicitly planning to use superdelegates to overturn the will of the voters.


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But what turns this into an unusually difficult argument for Sanders is that early in the race, Sanders's supporters feared this is how Clinton would steal the election, and so they mobilized their supporters to demand that the superdelegates abide by the will of the voters. Even today, some Sanders supporters (wrongly) think Clinton's lead is the unfair result of superdelegates ignoring the voters and backing her campaign.

There's nothing new about seemingly principled arguments about process covering opportunistic jockeying for candidate advantage. But imagine if it were Sanders leading in pledged delegates and Clinton suggesting that New York's primary results weren't legitimate and her campaign would use superdelegates to win even if they lost the primaries. Sanders's voters would be furious, and rightly so.




links within the piece including this one

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-superdelegates-democrats-219286

and this one, which is , I think, a particularly interesting read

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/19/11448930/bernie-sanders-ithaca-new-york
Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2016 03:54 pm
@ehBeth,
The momentumers just keep moving the goal posts in order to have a thread, very thin thread of hope to hold onto. That's all there is no matter how many fantasy articles are written.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2016 04:41 pm
@snood,
I think I still agree with that post of yours. Less sure with all the sailing regatta about superdelegates.

I like most but not all of Bernie's takes that I know of as being similar to mine. Apparently, so are Hillary's recently, and in congressional votes. I like him there existing as ballast. But I'm no sailor, maybe I mean keel.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2016 01:29 pm
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/washington-primary-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton/484313/

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Washington voters delivered a bit of bad news for Bernie Sanders’s political revolution on Tuesday. Hillary Clinton won the state’s Democratic primary, symbolically reversing the outcome of the state’s Democratic caucus in March where Sanders prevailed as the victor. The primary result won’t count for much since delegates have already been awarded based on the caucus. (Sanders won 74 delegates, while Clinton won only 27.) But Clinton’s victory nevertheless puts Sanders in an awkward position.

Sanders has styled himself as a populist candidate intent on giving a voice to voters in a political system in which, as he describes it, party elites and wealthy special-interest groups exert too much control. As the primary election nears its end, Sanders has railed against Democratic leaders for unfairly intervening in the process, a claim he made in the aftermath of the contentious Nevada Democratic convention earlier this month. He has also criticized superdelegates—elected officials and party leaders who can support whichever candidate they chose—for effectively coronating Clinton.

As Sanders makes those arguments, he runs up against a few inconvenient realities. He trails Clinton in the popular-vote count and has performed well in caucuses, which consistently witness depressed voter turnout relative to primary elections. What happened in Washington is a painful reminder of this for the campaign: Far more voters took part in Washington’s Democratic primary than its state caucus, preliminary counts indicate. Roughly 230,000 people participated in the Democratic caucus, The Stranger reported in March. In contrast, more than 660,000 Democratic votes had been tallied in the primary as of Tuesday, according to The Seattle Times. That lopsided reality makes it more difficult for Sanders to argue that his candidacy represents the will of the people.

Overall, Sanders has tended to focus his criticisms of the Democratic primary process on aspects of the nomination race that have put his own campaign at a disadvantage. Examples include his critiques of the superdelegates system and closed primaries, which shut out the Independent voters whose support has benefited Sanders. “Three million people in the state of New York who are Independents have lost their right to vote in the Democratic or Republican primary. That’s wrong,” he said in April.

The campaign has not had the same zeal for reforming other elements of the process that might also be described as undemocratic. That would include the caucus system, where it is generally more difficult for people to vote than primaries. That’s not entirely surprising, of course. Caucuses reward highly motivated and ideologically devoted voters, a dynamic which has tended to favor Sanders. The campaign’s critiques aren’t illegitimate because they’re uneven, nor are they necessarily insincere. They just show that Sanders is a politician, and he wants to win.


Bernie Sanders
politician

that's the story
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2016 01:56 pm
@ehBeth,
Could of called that one. Happened in Nebraska too. I think somewhere else also.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 03:57 am
@parados,
The power of encumbency in the House is very strong--much more so than in the Senate. It would be foolish to count on taking the House. It's not impossible, just very unlikely.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 04:16 am
@Brand X,
Hey! He's doing pretty damn good on that front recently.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clintons-inexcusable-willful-disregard-for-the-rules/2016/05/25/0089e942-22ae-11e6-9e7f-57890b612299_story.html?tid=ss_tw
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 04:19 am
@Setanta,
add to that the special congressional "districts" that have been created since the 1980's. We have one rep district in Pa where there is a 25 mile"filament" of a district that is one road wide and it connects two lobes of the same district between two counties. It was chosen by the GOP to cement its hold on the Legisltive branch.

No people live along the filament segment because it is route 222 a limited access hiway that connects Lancaster County and Berks County. We have several other congressional districts that are merely state parks and some small towns that are more like Mississippi than the Northeast.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 04:19 am
The Washington Post . . . ah-hahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 04:22 am
@farmerman,
Districting reform is badly needed. The Republicans have used it not only to keep a death-grip on the House, but to take over state houses in states which are by no means reasonably to be considered Republican.

All these whiners complaining about super-delegates just because their boy is unlikely to win could do a bigger service by putting their efforts into reforming government from the ground up.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 04:25 am
@Setanta,
let me know when thats gonna happen. Thats the day Im gonna open an airport for flying pigs.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 05:13 am
@farmerman,
Like these.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Victoria_Police_(CHC_Helicopters_Australia)_Eurocopter_AS-365N-3_Dauphin_2_Vabre.jpg
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 06:27 am
@Lash,
Trump is turning up the dial on this already of course. As depicted in the SNL spoof, Bernie will be wishing he hadn't already sworn off of going after Hillary on this.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 06:49 am
@Brand X,
Just hoping the IG, State Dept, law enforcement and karma will coordinate efforts.
Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 07:25 am
@Lash,
Her campaign says it's okay because her actions were 'consistent with past secretaries and officials'. Her supporters mostly think that too, they don't see it as a red flag of questionable judgement. It's nothing for Bernie to hang his hat on though.

Message to DC: If this is such a big deal then why not have security oversight to prevent any official from setting up an unauthorized sever for 'convenience'. How many more of them are there right now in use???
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 07:54 am
@Brand X,
We just aren't reading the same thing. She is actually in serious trouble, she's caught in a really stupid lie, and previous SOS complied with the investigation. Hillary refused. She's fronting this bizarre story that some shadowy unnamed "director" forbade her to ever speak of it. She has taken Clintonspeak (depends on what the definition of is is) to its natural absurd conclusion.

It's over. Gas lighting a la Clinton will finally be slapped back.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2016 08:12 am
@Lash,
Quote:
it's over. Gas lighting a la Clinton will finally be slapped back.



One can only hope this is true; however, seeing the past T-Fal sort of sticklessness of the Clinton this may be only a wish.
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